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FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account
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Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account
#83Lately I've been using SpamCop.net to make spam reports. It seems to work, and it's free. You are encouraged to donate, and they don't ask for much.
It's not perfect though. For some reason, it doesn't find (or deliberately ignores) OVH hosts that are relaying spam.
Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account
#84gmail, outlook and salesforce create about 90% of the spam that gets through blacklists. Salesforce is simple to fix: I just block anything from salesforce from our network, as it just seems to be 100% used by spammers. Gmail and outlook are the major problem, as there is no way of addressing their spam issue.
In my experience, everyone got their act together except Google. I also used to receive massive amounts of spam from Azure and Sendgrid but this eventually stopped. Now 80% of the spam I receive is from the Google network, mainly Google Cloud.
Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account
#85gmail, outlook and salesforce create about 90% of the spam that gets through blacklists. Salesforce is simple to fix: I just block anything from salesforce from our network, as it just seems to be 100% used by spammers. Gmail and outlook are the major problem, as there is no way of addressing their spam issue.
In my experience, everyone got their act together except Google. I also used to receive massive amounts of spam from Azure and Sendgrid but this eventually stopped. Now 80% of the spam I receive is from the Google network, mainly Google Cloud.
Why do you interpret that as everyone except Google getting their act together?
The obvious (and correct) explanation is deliverability. Spammers send from Google services because they can inbox, they don’t send from other services because those services will not inbox successfully.
Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gmail is not a monopoly. When it comes to actual paying customers, it is not even the market leader > ridiculous assertion. What is ridiculous is the idea that running an email service a massive scale like Gmail is somehow free .
> Gmail is not a monopoly. https://pdx.social/@evergreensewing/116388477430172491 > For the first time since we started the company back in January/February, we have a customer who does NOT use Gmail for their email address. > In case you wanted to see what a monopoly looks like.
This is anecdotal but here's the breakdown of top 10 e-mail providers from my database, does not look like a monopoly:
MariaDB > SELECT SUBSTRING_INDEX(email, '@', -1) AS domain, COUNT(*) AS cnt FROM accounts GROUP BY domain HAVING domain != '' ORDER BY cnt DESC LIMIT 10;
+-------------+-------+
| domain | cnt |
+-------------+-------+
| hotmail.com | 38015 |
| gmail.com | 16280 |
| yahoo.com | 4080 |
| o2.pl | 2321 |
| wp.pl | 2206 |
| live.com | 1415 |
| outlook.com | 814 |
| interia.pl | 609 |
| hotmail.es | 590 |
| live.se | 521 |
+-------------+-------+
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my experience, everyone got their act together except Google. I also used to receive massive amounts of spam from Azure and Sendgrid but this eventually stopped. Now 80% of the spam I receive is from the Google network, mainly Google Cloud.
Why do you interpret that as everyone except Google getting their act together? The obvious (and correct) explanation is deliverability. Spammers send from Google services because they can inbox, they don’t send from other services because those services will not inbox successfully.
For me outlook is just as bad as google in terms of the spam that gets through my spam filters, as neither of them care much about abuse reports.
Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account
#88I gave up on trying to report abuse to Google, Amazon or Microsoft. It seems reports simply get ignored and the big providers do nothing. I hope the FSF with its weight and media presence can finally do something.
Google, Microsoft, and Amazon are my major sources of spam. These days, this is where spam comes from.
At this point, they are also too big to block. We allowed this to happen, through neglect and laziness. Even in this discussion: how many people use Gmail as their primary email service?
Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account
#89Good luck. These big tech companies have no incentive to care about support or really anything that isn’t tied directly to making money. And unless you have a friend there, Google staff have no incentive either. Solving this won’t help with their promotions.
> Google staff have no incentive either. Solving this won’t help with their promotions.
I don't think people appreciate that this is really the key observation here. In large institutions, for anything significant to happen, there have to be incentives and alternatives, and these are set by management. Management in turn usually cares about their incentives, and the company overall mostly cares about the bottom line and the financial reports.
As a result, this is unlikely to get addressed, unless there is significant pressure, like media coverage, people mass-resigning from Gmail, or major email servers blocking Google. But none of these are likely to happen.
Re: FSF trying to contact Google about spammer sending 10k+ mails from Gmail account
#90gmail, outlook and salesforce create about 90% of the spam that gets through blacklists. Salesforce is simple to fix: I just block anything from salesforce from our network, as it just seems to be 100% used by spammers. Gmail and outlook are the major problem, as there is no way of addressing their spam issue.
In my experience, everyone got their act together except Google. I also used to receive massive amounts of spam from Azure and Sendgrid but this eventually stopped. Now 80% of the spam I receive is from the Google network, mainly Google Cloud.
> In my experience, everyone got their act together except Google.
I remember a bunch of spam and fishing emails from weird Outlook addresses. Don't remember any from Google.