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Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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If someone disagrees, it takes about 15 minutes to ask an LLM to edit the offending behavior out of the free and open-source software.

Sure. Though I’d consider that a dick move if the social contract is to contribute back.

That’s not the social contract. Otherwise more than 0.05% of people would give back to OSS.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

#82
post #70

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So it's perfectly fine to ship a bitcoin miner in software, as long as you say: > WARNING DANGER CAUTION > GET THE F* OUT > YOU WILL DIE You cannot be serious...This behaviour is deeply unethical and most likely illegal as well.

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Bitcoin is a technology that will benefit mankind if it reaches global adoption. So presumably bitcoin mining is useful for the user as well.

Doesn't matter who you think benefits because it's still theft and it's still illegal.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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post #41

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You are saying: by virtue of the value of creation, anything that is created cannot have negative effects.

Many people are trying to make this thing, this is the one we can all see. I'd rather have the visible one remain visible because it gives us a useful data point and/or entertainment.

fair

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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Based on my understanding of Gas Town, Beads, and Yegge's philosophy on AI that he's expressed in a variety of media, everything about the whole stack is designed to burn tokens. If you're not burning tokens, real fast, 24/7, you're losing the race. The race to where, I have no idea. Apparently, that includes him burning your tokens, too.

I just had to post this somewhere in this thread, but I bought his Vibe Coding book after listening to him talk through it. I figured it would help me understand his approach and therefore help me get into the same mindset for vibe coding on a serious level. It was garbage. The book is largely written and edited by LLMs and it shows on every page. It was a slop how-to book without many useful gems on how to go about…

> help me get into the same mindset for vibe coding on a serious level

> vibe coding on a serious level

I hope your experience with the book has taught you a valuable lesson about "vibe coding", it seems like it was unintentionally very accurate.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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post #70

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Bitcoin is a technology that will benefit mankind if it reaches global adoption. So presumably bitcoin mining is useful for the user as well. Doesn't matter who you think benefits because it's still theft and it's still illegal.

> Bitcoin is a technology that will benefit mankind if it reaches global adoption

Citation needed.

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

#88

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Bitcoin is a technology that will benefit mankind if it reaches global adoption. So presumably bitcoin mining is useful for the user as well. Doesn't matter who you think benefits because it's still theft and it's still illegal.

> Bitcoin is a technology that will benefit mankind if it reaches global adoption Citation needed.

Thats my point bro

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

#89
From the most recent comment, looks like this is a bug, triggered by the system inadvertently activating an internal release tool [0]. Still a pretty wild bug, but not as dramatic as the title suggests. Which is kind of unfortunate honestly, the chaos of every gas town instance automatically contributing to itself would be beautiful to see.

- https://github.com/gastownhall/gastown/blob/main/internal/fo...

Re: Does Gas Town 'steal' usage from users' LLM credits to improve itself?

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post #72

Based on my understanding of Gas Town, Beads, and Yegge's philosophy on AI that he's expressed in a variety of media, everything about the whole stack is designed to burn tokens. If you're not burning tokens, real fast, 24/7, you're losing the race. The race to where, I have no idea. Apparently, that includes him burning your tokens, too.

I just had to post this somewhere in this thread, but I bought his Vibe Coding book after listening to him talk through it. I figured it would help me understand his approach and therefore help me get into the same mindset for vibe coding on a serious level. It was garbage. The book is largely written and edited by LLMs and it shows on every page. It was a slop how-to book without many useful gems on how to go about…

I have historically liked Yegge's writing, and he's been pretty tuned into what's happening in tech...he rightly predicted JavaScript would take over the world (many people predicted it, as well, including me, but it wasn't obviously true to everyone for another year or two after that prediction was made). I don't think I ever really deeply disagreed with something so much as I disagree with him on AI.

I mean, it's inarguable that our industry has changed dramatically and most code going forward will be written by LLMs. But, I don't think it follows that you can produce quality software without a human in the loop. And, I don't think it follows that burning tokens 24/7 by way of creating unending busy work for agents is going to result in utility. I haven't actually tried Gas Town (it's too ridiculous on its face for me to be willing to invest time in learning it), but I'd still wager that a single competent dev sitting in front of Claude Code can produce better software faster than anyone, experienced or otherwise, trying to get Gas Town's infinite monkeys driving in the same direction.

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