If it's illegal in the United States to ask someone's age before distributing porn to them online because of the first amendment, why can physical porn stores ask for id? Is that also unconstitutional?
Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised
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Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised
#82Now the claw is closing, and government and big tech are combining. We're either going to let this tiny inbred elite track, monitor and rule every portion of our lives, or we're not. There are no solutions through government, and there are no technical solutions.
Right now you should be buying more computers than you need and datahoarding.
It is disrespectful that they can pretend with a straight face that they've suddenly discovered privacy concerns. The people who pay them started by priming them with the best arguments and lines that their "media" guys could come up with to dismiss those concerns and to paint the people bringing them up as Chinese terrorist pedophiles. They probably just figured out that they need to wait after the midterms, eliminate a few people and get a few others in, then they could get it passed attached to something else. While they're consciously planning, we're simply reacting and ascribing to ignorance and incompetence what is far better explained by malice.
The entire purpose of these laws is to destroy privacy. It isn't churches and puritans lobbying for them. There's no visible constituency lobbying for this, just a bunch of people who have been softened into going "well, if it helps..."
People need to ask themselves who's getting this stuff done? There are so many things that 70-80% of the electorate are loudly clamoring for that can't even get acknowledged by anyone in power or in the mainstream media, but this stuff gets passed?
Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised
#83What's with the bipartisan push for these bills all of a sudden?
It's an international coordinated effort to undermine every single citizen's privacy, an agenda being pushed for years, again and again in every country and state, by a coalition including Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc., corporations that profit greatly from mandatory identity verification online. It's only a matter of time until they buy out enough politicians to push it through and force future generations to li…
This is not being pushed by private companies. There is no money in it. It is being pushed by governments, and those governments use those private companies as (willing) vehicles to do things that it is illegal for them to do directly. And it is not being pushed by the democratic portions of governments, which have been minimized and weakened to the point of invisibility. None of this makes it to the ballot, "both" sides support it.
Since the turn of the millennium, all powers have been pushed to the Executive, in every Western country. And the Executive wouldn't be the Executive if he/she weren't completely compromised. Governing with 20% of the support of the public is the norm now in Western governments and institutions. If more than 20% of people support you, you're a "populist dictator."
Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A US based non-profit news organization isn’t going to spend money to pay lawyers to ensure they meet a regulatory burden that doesn’t affect their core demographic. I like being covered by gdpr. Though I really cannot see any country's gdpr peops taking anyone in the US to court. A very simple "Fuck you" (along the lines of The Pirate Bay) would end any legal conversations. It would be different if the news organi…
The UK is not part of the US (yet?) nor the EU, but they're currently fining US companies - it doesn't surprise me at all that many take the easy answer of "ban them by IP".
Are they going after money they have in the UK or are they delusional enough to think they can successfully fine a company with no ties to the UK?
Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
The UK is not part of the US (yet?) nor the EU, but they're currently fining US companies - it doesn't surprise me at all that many take the easy answer of "ban them by IP".
> The UK is not part of the US (yet?) nor the EU, but they're currently fining US companies Are they going after money they have in the UK or are they delusional enough to think they can successfully fine a company with no ties to the UK?
We await the larger rodent.
Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised
#86If it's illegal in the United States to ask someone's age before distributing porn to them online because of the first amendment, why can physical porn stores ask for id? Is that also unconstitutional?
It is not illegal to ask a user's age in the US online. Can you let us know what your source is?
Note that this is not what I said. You overgeneralized it - I will assume without bad intention. The question is if it's illegal to require porn companies to verify the age of their users.
> Can you let us know what your source is?
The Free Speech Coalition and Kagan, Sotomayor, and Jackson of the Supreme Court, to start. That was their minority opinion in the suit filed against Texas for requiring online porn companies to verify the age of users. The plaintiff argued it was a violation of the first amendment - it is a common argument.
https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/06/court-allows-texas-law-on...
The argument against the legality of these laws has always been highly suspect. There is a common sentiment that these laws are not good - but when pressed to explain why they aren't legal you get crazy arguments like this, that it violates the first amendment.
Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
the thing is "We don't want to get legal advice" is a ridiculous justification for acting on legal advice
I'm sure they (or whoever sells the product they use to publish) did get legal advice, of the "what is the cheapest way to ensure this isn't an issue for us" and the response was "block 'em all, let God VPN them out." After all, using a VPN doesn't absolve companies of the GDPR.
Every site that gdpr-blocks itself is saying that they intend to extract value from your data and they don't want to tell you how.
Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised
#88What's with the bipartisan push for these bills all of a sudden?
It has reached the level of moral panic, so it’s the current topic everywhere. Even on Hacker News, threads about children and social media or short form video will draw a lot of comments supporting harsh age restrictions, including an alarming number of extremist comments in favor banning under-18s from using the internet or phones. It’s not until the discussion turns to implantation details that the sentiment swing…
Do not try and derail this thread with facts about vaccines!
Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised
#89What's with the bipartisan push for these bills all of a sudden?
It has reached the level of moral panic, so it’s the current topic everywhere. Even on Hacker News, threads about children and social media or short form video will draw a lot of comments supporting harsh age restrictions, including an alarming number of extremist comments in favor banning under-18s from using the internet or phones. It’s not until the discussion turns to implantation details that the sentiment swing…
The call to ban children from social media seemed like it was coming loudest from tech people - like HN users.
How did they think this was going to work?
Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
This annoys me with Apple devices, iCloud and all it's related backups of..well everything are on by default and it doesn't ask at any point in the setup of the device. You have to then go into settings -> icloud and disable the main one and then like 30 individual ones. There should be a big toggle at the top that says "Disable All Cloud Backups" they can feel free to throw in a warning.
I don't disagree. But defaults are important, and you are in a tiny minority with wanting to disable iCloud. 90% of people using Apple phones want or expect things to be magically backed up for them