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Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by wongarsu »

csomar wrote: post #45

> That parity masks the significant gains women have recently made in the labor market. Of the 369,000 jobs the Labor Department says were created since the start of Trump's second term, nearly all — 348,000 of them — went to women, with only 21,000 going to men. That's nearly 17 times as many jobs filled by women as by men. ... > Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy…

Rather than a health crisis it might just be the aging population. The generation born during the baby boom is getting pretty old right around now

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by defrost »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #31
zbentley wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation needed, bad faith suspected. Even adjusted for maternity and career entry/exit differences, the gender pay gap is still big and real. And while there is overlap and outliers, many more women-dominated industries are at lower pay segments (and with fewer benefits) than industries dominated by men.

How about adjusted for people who are welding things underwater or throwing 25 kilo garbage bins into a truck?

Who still lifts garbage cans into a truck, male or female?

It's been cab and camera operated hydraulic lifts on wheelie bins for decades here.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by torben-friis »

lesuorac wrote: post #57
torben-friis wrote: post #30

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Yeah, but if we're splitting losses by gender as well then the gender difference might as well be due to men dominated fields getting shredded. As in, balanced job creation + a shitton of mostly male tech workers fired = female growth.

No because the title is using the word "new jobs". If there's 100 men and 100 women employed and 100 women get fired then you have an equal number of "newly" employed people (0). If there's 100 men and 50 working women and you fire 100 men and hire 50 women then 100% of the new jobs went to Women. Same is if you didn't fire anybody and just hired 50 women.

If there's 100 men and a 100 women, you hire 50 men and 50 women, and separately 50 men are fired, total is +50 growth all women, despite the fact that non absolute job creation was balanced. I'm wondering if the author is missing this effect.

The net result is the same, but in the case in my example there is no barrier to men getting jobs.

In fact, if you start with a male dominated economy and it gets progressively balanced, you would see years of absolute female job creation, and that would not imply men are blocked from entering the workforce, just that the male dominated generations are exiting the market as they age and being replaced by a more balanced mix.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by PessimalDecimal »

hackyhacky wrote: post #23
PessimalDecimal wrote: post #19

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There's been a lot of talk about "toxic masculinity" over the years but I've heard of and would worry about the female equivalent if I were considering a role in nursing as a man. Many stories where the only man in the room is expected to be, simultaneously, a punching bag, a mediator for drama, and a willing recipient of sexual advances. Seems awful

> Many stories where the only man in the room is expected to be, simultaneously, a punching bag, a mediator for drama, and a willing recipient of sexual advances. In other words, men in nursing are treated to the same indignities that women experience in most jobs?

What you're doing here is part of the problem. "Suck it up, buttercup!"

Many men would rather not work and deal with the financial and social consequences of that than deal with the toxicity both in the workplace and later on if they talk about it.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

rirze wrote: post #26

Here's another explanation. My hypothesis goes deeper than gender imbalance. Most job interviews are theater nowadays. It's about conformity, performative culture fitting, agreeableness (read, willing to slave away without complaining). On average, women tend to better suited for such processes. Along with immigrant groups.

> On average, women tend to better suited for such processes. Along with immigrant groups.

This is quite the claim, and I would understand anyone taking deep offence by it.

Can you substantiate it?

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by [deleted] »

malfist wrote: post #74
joe_mamba wrote: post #36

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Spare the fear mongering about "my testosterones!" Testosterone levels, when adjusted for BMI, are consistent. If you dont control for BMI they are declining, but thats a false comparison. Weed, video games and porn at home have nothing to do with testosterone.

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Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by vhiremath4 »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #10

people are only starting to care because really bad things happen when you start to get a large portion of the male population being disenfranchised.

I don't really know how to word this, but it feels like we've lost a loving kind of wisdom as a society. In an effort to be better and provide access to women (a good thing), we have also pushed down men. I don't exactly know how we get back to lifting both up while evolving norms as a society. It seems so simple on the surface, but it doesn't seem to be happening in practice.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by esseph »

defrost wrote: post #82
unsupp0rted wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about adjusted for people who are welding things underwater or throwing 25 kilo garbage bins into a truck?

Who still lifts garbage cans into a truck, male or female? It's been cab and camera operated hydraulic lifts on wheelie bins for decades here.

Uh, anywhere around me in the US.

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Post by malfist »

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #77
malfist wrote: post #67

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So many boogiemen in your post. Tell me, exactly, why does the study of queer people mean diversity and inclusion is bad? Not even going to touch your idea that colorblind racism isn't racism.

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Yeah, not reading a far right nonsense book. I'm a queer person, I think I know what queer theory is.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Post by vharuck »

williamdclt wrote: post #73
guzfip wrote: post #24

- nursing: I don’t want to work 60-70 hours a week at your horrific body shop of a PE asset - teaching: unruly kids. Bully’s get protected and those who stand up get punished. There’s some level of societal distrust of men around children not their own. - social work: you’re exposed to some of the worst most horrific side of society constantly for peanut pay. You’re constantly in a position where you want to help peo…

That's a shallow analysis. These reasons (which are very reasonable) aren't inherently gendered, yet don't seem to deter women as they make up something like 80-90% of these jobs, they're not "just not interested". So... seems like gender _does_ have something to do with that? Maybe just maybe more women gravitate towards these roles because these roles are associated with traditionally-feminine values (care, empathy…

Men are also often the primary breadwinners in families, so they feel the need to take a higher paying job. In families where the husband's job pays well, the wife's career can be decided by personal fulfillment. Teachers are respected (but not paid well), nurses are respected and can earn a good amount, and social work is a very self-fulfilling role (I don't think society holds them in esteem more than other professionals).

If we want men to take up certain roles, we need to pay more. That's the simplicity of capitalism and free markets. We bend ourselves into knots trying to find clever and (maybe) cheaper solutions to thorny problems.

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