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PayMill, Stripe clone, rolls out silently across Europe

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Re: PayMill, Stripe clone, rolls out silently across Europe

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Post by kc0bfv »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #73
ekurutepe wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably simply because they're not officially recognized by the EU.

I bet they aren't officially recognized by USA either, you can still buy Coca-Cola there. Seriously, I come to think IT products are inferior to physical products in the terms of being able to distribute and make them available regardless of politics.

I suspect citizens of Iran, North Korea, China and the old USSR would disagree with that last sentiment.

Ooh! And the US (Cuban cigars).

Re: PayMill, Stripe clone, rolls out silently across Europe

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Post by kc0bfv »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #75
jacques_chester wrote: post #11

It's definitely been very annoying for us outside of the US watching the light speed evolution of payment systems happening there and only there . So this is good news for my European friends.

This is a too narrow view. Africa leads with mobile phone banking (use your phone as a wallet and transfer funds and be able to cash out), Russia and CIS have viable cardless electronic money (you deposit money into electronic kiosks at shops and molls and then pay for goods and services via interwebs or from mobile), China has I guess everything we can imagine and more.

Many in the US have lusted over NFC payments via cellphone, available in Japan.

Re: PayMill, Stripe clone, rolls out silently across Europe

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Post by Jd »

UntitledNo4 wrote: post #44
gkoberger wrote: post #21

This was created by the Samwer brothers, who have an interesting history of cloning sites and flipping them, often to the company they cloned: http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2012/04/features/ins... So, proceed with caution if you decide to use them. (That being said, I wonder if Stripe will just buy them in order to get European payments working?)

Why do you think developers should proceed with caution? They don't seem malevolent to me. Perhaps you question their methods, which is legitimate, but if you have any other information apart from that, I would like to hear it. Additionally, I don't know if I can criticise their model. Yes, it's not very innovative, but on the other hand you can think of it as a outsourced European development team for US-based start…

Generally speaking, I agree, but the Samwer teams often overstep the bounds and going beyond simply duplicating functionality (i.e. blatantly ripping the design features and html/css theme of the website landing page). I think if you talk to people who've worked for their companies (I have) there is the general impression that whatever the boundary is that should not be crossed, it is being crossed.

Re: PayMill, Stripe clone, rolls out silently across Europe

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Post by Ives »

schmrz wrote: post #56

If someone was wondering here are the supported countries: Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Austria, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Czech Rep ., Turkey, UK, Hungary, Cyprus (Greek part), Israel. (from https://www.paymill.com/en-gb/support-3/worth-knowing/terms-... )

It seems like someone forgot Belgium (again).

Re: PayMill, Stripe clone, rolls out silently across Europe

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Post by gkoberger »

UntitledNo4 wrote: post #44
gkoberger wrote: post #21

This was created by the Samwer brothers, who have an interesting history of cloning sites and flipping them, often to the company they cloned: http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2012/04/features/ins... So, proceed with caution if you decide to use them. (That being said, I wonder if Stripe will just buy them in order to get European payments working?)

Why do you think developers should proceed with caution? They don't seem malevolent to me. Perhaps you question their methods, which is legitimate, but if you have any other information apart from that, I would like to hear it. Additionally, I don't know if I can criticise their model. Yes, it's not very innovative, but on the other hand you can think of it as a outsourced European development team for US-based start…

I didn't mean to imply malevolence, rather misaligned incentives. Their goal isn't to create a stable, long lasting company -- it's to flip it as quickly as possible and make themselves money.

This is important to keep in mind if your company uses them to accept payments.

Re: PayMill, Stripe clone, rolls out silently across Europe

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Post by jpkrohling_jpk »

Ives wrote: post #84
schmrz wrote: post #56

If someone was wondering here are the supported countries: Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Austria, Poland, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Czech Rep ., Turkey, UK, Hungary, Cyprus (Greek part), Israel. (from https://www.paymill.com/en-gb/support-3/worth-knowing/terms-... )

It seems like someone forgot Belgium (again).

No, we haven't. It's missing only from the Terms and Conditions webpage. We have Belgium in our hearts, in our language switcher and in our activation form :-)

Re: PayMill, Stripe clone, rolls out silently across Europe

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Post by Ives »

jpkrohling_jpk wrote: post #86
Ives wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like someone forgot Belgium (again).

No, we haven't. It's missing only from the Terms and Conditions webpage. We have Belgium in our hearts, in our language switcher and in our activation form :-)

Great!

Re: PayMill, Stripe clone, rolls out silently across Europe

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Post by jpkrohling_jpk »

exim wrote: post #51
jpkrohling_jpk wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but what kind of license are you talking about? In order to use Paymill, you just need to have a company registered in one of the countries we are present (31, at the moment).

Where can I see the list of supported countries?

We have it both in our Terms and Conditions page (hint: Belgium is missing there, but that's a mistake) and in our activation form.

Re: PayMill, Stripe clone, rolls out silently across Europe

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Post by pbreit »

gkoberger wrote: post #21

This was created by the Samwer brothers, who have an interesting history of cloning sites and flipping them, often to the company they cloned: http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2012/04/features/ins... So, proceed with caution if you decide to use them. (That being said, I wonder if Stripe will just buy them in order to get European payments working?)

It's a mis-nomer that they frequently end up selling to the US company they cloned. Ebay and Groupon are about the only two examples.

Stripe would never, ever, ever acquire a clone like this. First, because the notion is already rare. But more overwhelming is Stripe's intense focus on creating its own culture and building its own stuff.

Re: PayMill, Stripe clone, rolls out silently across Europe

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Post by CD1212 »

jusben1369 wrote: post #10

At Spreedlycore we support 40 + payment gateways. (our target audience are developers/applications that need to work with more than one payment gateway) No one's asked us about PayMill yet. It'll be interesting if they do. It worries me when the first two sentences contradict each other: "Paymill enables you to offer credit card payments on your website within a short time. There is no waiting time" Which one is it?…

I am from the UK and just finished integrating Spreedly Core with a site I developed on Friday. It was a painless process and made interfacing with the traditional merchant account much easier. I would highly recommend it!
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