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Introduction to Computer Music (2009) [pdf]

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Re: Introduction to Computer Music (2009) [pdf]

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Post by defrost »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #80
tolciho wrote: post #69

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To confirm the claim that "all scales in all cultures are based on octaves and fifths" one might study the scales.zip scale files and find those that do not contain octaves and fifths, which should naturally be zero if the claim is true. https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/ Note also that certain musical traditions were suppressed or eradicated due to their unfortunate habit of using dissonant notes such as minor se…

The 12 tone scale is a natural property of the world that has been independently discovered by many different cultures across the world. The microtonalities or strange scales (like gamelan) are evolutions of the natural octave/fifths grid. Every synthesizer has a "detune" knob.

> microtonalities or strange scales (like gamelan) are evolutions of the natural octave/fifths grid.

What is your source for this opinion?

  Gamelan predates the Hindu-Buddhist culture that dominated Indonesia in its earliest records and thus represents an indigenous art form of Indonesia
~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamelan

How do you know anything that comes prior to recorded history?

Re: Introduction to Computer Music (2009) [pdf]

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Post by IndySun »

colkassad wrote: post #66
IndySun wrote: post #42

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colkassad I work professionally with music, including using ableton. I do create but don't sell/adverise, I'm strictly 'backstage'. I love everything about creating music, less so for reading about music (reviews, critiques, dissecting) though there are occasional exceptions. Are you putting your creativity online publicly?

Yes, I have a soundcloud account: https://soundcloud.com/emmets-music I like to mix electronic and orchestral sounds. Some examples: https://soundcloud.com/emmets-music/the-seven-hills-of-rome https://soundcloud.com/emmets-music/dark-matter I also like piano a lot (I only know how to play guitar badly, I just draw in the notes and work velocity until it sounds good to me): https://soundcloud.com/emmets-music/life-is-…

Thank you. Your music is enjoyable, I listened to a couple (twice, first track and the fast one) and skimmed (four times) through others (my listening time is packed). Each piece has a filmic quality. The most impressive part is that they are (more of less) finished, which is a feat in itself. Very good.

I am very backstage, I don't wish to be known professionally, except by clients, all of which came via word of mouth - I wouldn't know how to advertise and I'd probably mess it up/give the wrong impression/attract the 'wrong' clients.

I won't link here but I do use soundcloud, I would say it's just ok. Tend to go Faircamp, bandcamp, geocities. MySpace lost 12 tunes.

I'll make a note of our exchange and if I change my mind I'll let you know. Some of my music is not dissimilar to yours, which is often the case, and not a bad thing - like you, it's the act of creation that brings immense pleasure. Thanks again for sharing I enjoyed listening.

Re: Introduction to Computer Music (2009) [pdf]

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Post by nxor3 »

Intermernet wrote: post #41
nxor3 wrote: post #26

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I don't agree. I grew up with piano and had music friends all through my life. Classical music requires a certain level of math ability. Modern musicians scorn this and frankly it shows.

Many classical musicians have only a cursory understanding of mathematics. Many modern musicians are pushing the boundaries. There's a reason there's a genre named "math rock". Also, Jazz probably pushed the maths of music beyond classical music. As a last example, listen to some Meshuggah :-)

I don't agree at all.

Re: Introduction to Computer Music (2009) [pdf]

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Post by tolciho »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #80
tolciho wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To confirm the claim that "all scales in all cultures are based on octaves and fifths" one might study the scales.zip scale files and find those that do not contain octaves and fifths, which should naturally be zero if the claim is true. https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/ Note also that certain musical traditions were suppressed or eradicated due to their unfortunate habit of using dissonant notes such as minor se…

The 12 tone scale is a natural property of the world that has been independently discovered by many different cultures across the world. The microtonalities or strange scales (like gamelan) are evolutions of the natural octave/fifths grid. Every synthesizer has a "detune" knob.

Thank you, I am somewhat aware of the knobs present on a synth, though fail to see the relevance given that various other instruments do not have dynamic retuning options. Which 12 tone scale did you have in mind (for there are many) and why do you think 12 (for there are many other numbers, some of which are used by various scale systems) is a natural property of the world? Perhaps with a more cogent argument you could make a better case for your opinion.

Re: Introduction to Computer Music (2009) [pdf]

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Post by colkassad »

IndySun wrote: post #82
colkassad wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I have a soundcloud account: https://soundcloud.com/emmets-music I like to mix electronic and orchestral sounds. Some examples: https://soundcloud.com/emmets-music/the-seven-hills-of-rome https://soundcloud.com/emmets-music/dark-matter I also like piano a lot (I only know how to play guitar badly, I just draw in the notes and work velocity until it sounds good to me): https://soundcloud.com/emmets-music/life-is-…

Thank you. Your music is enjoyable, I listened to a couple (twice, first track and the fast one) and skimmed (four times) through others (my listening time is packed). Each piece has a filmic quality. The most impressive part is that they are (more of less) finished, which is a feat in itself. Very good. I am very backstage, I don't wish to be known professionally, except by clients, all of which came via word of mou…

Thanks for listening. Feel free to reach out if you ever want to share. I create music strictly for my own enjoyment so I understand where you are coming from. Take care!

Re: Introduction to Computer Music (2009) [pdf]

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Post by Intermernet »

nxor3 wrote: post #83
Intermernet wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many classical musicians have only a cursory understanding of mathematics. Many modern musicians are pushing the boundaries. There's a reason there's a genre named "math rock". Also, Jazz probably pushed the maths of music beyond classical music. As a last example, listen to some Meshuggah :-)

I don't agree at all.

You don't have to agree. That's fine.

Re: Introduction to Computer Music (2009) [pdf]

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Post by nxor3 »

Intermernet wrote: post #86
nxor3 wrote: post #83

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I don't agree at all.

You don't have to agree. That's fine.

Why so rude? You really think Meshuggah is some profound group? Do you have any background in classical music? European screamo bands are just the worst. And personally people I've met from that scene rarely understand even the basics of rhythm. So your comment does not match my experience at all.

Re: Introduction to Computer Music (2009) [pdf]

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Post by Intermernet »

nxor3 wrote: post #87
Intermernet wrote: post #86

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You don't have to agree. That's fine.

Why so rude? You really think Meshuggah is some profound group? Do you have any background in classical music? European screamo bands are just the worst. And personally people I've met from that scene rarely understand even the basics of rhythm. So your comment does not match my experience at all.

I've been playing piano for over 40 years and other instruments almost as long. I'm a massive fan of classical music. If you think metal bands don't understand rhythm you obviously haven't listened to much.

I'm not claiming any band to be profound, but many have complex interplay between multiple rhythms, very non standard chord progressions, often non standard tunings, and even microtonal instrumentation.

You seem to be stuck in a world where everyone from Stockhausen suddenly stopped learning music theory. I'm telling you that you're wrong, and obviously not listening to enough modern music.

Stop being a music snob. You are free to like whatever you want but making glaringly incorrect statements about an entire time period encompassing many genres is going to get push back.

Re: Introduction to Computer Music (2009) [pdf]

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Post by nxor3 »

Intermernet wrote: post #88
nxor3 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why so rude? You really think Meshuggah is some profound group? Do you have any background in classical music? European screamo bands are just the worst. And personally people I've met from that scene rarely understand even the basics of rhythm. So your comment does not match my experience at all.

I've been playing piano for over 40 years and other instruments almost as long. I'm a massive fan of classical music. If you think metal bands don't understand rhythm you obviously haven't listened to much. I'm not claiming any band to be profound, but many have complex interplay between multiple rhythms, very non standard chord progressions, often non standard tunings, and even microtonal instrumentation. You seem t…

Why so rude? This site is ridiculous. You made statements about two entire periods, the current period and the past. Additionally, I am not a snob and I have listened to a lot. I won't even bother to get into this. My college roommate had thousands of records and forced me to listen to all of them.
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