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Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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You forgot the diesel generators within the DCs

Right. The diesel generator radiators are also susceptible to the same attack. A few bullets to each radiator would cause a coolant leak, and eventually they'd run out of coolant, overheat, and shut off.

Not enough damage.

Send two drones to firebomb the roof of the datacenter. Wouldn't trigger any fire suppression system that I am aware of.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

#82

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> the first time I've really thought hard about how big a target data centers would be in any sort of modern peer war Given the rapid and increasing rise of AI use in actually fighting wars, I suspect data centers won't just be a big target, they will eventually be the #1 priority target. Taking them offline won't just be of interest in terms of economic damage, it will be a direct strategic goal toward militarily wi…

xAI's data centers in space (should they happen) will push the frontier of war firmly overhead too.

Satellite -> satellite warfare already happens, and may have even been the the cause of a Starlink satellite "exploding" the other day.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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This may have been long discussed, but I feel like this war is the first time I've really thought hard about how big a target data centers would be in any sort of modern peer war and how that's an entirely new thing since the last time it was really on the radar (end of CW) right? We've built trillions and trillions of dollars in infrastructure in the peace time since, and it seems fairly concentrated. AWS is amongst…

hmm maybe aws should make datacenter locations secret? I mean, why even publish those locations? if this is purely for PR, they can publish fake locations... if this is for VIP visits... well you can always send private invitations

> hmm maybe aws should make datacenter locations secret?

Open source intelligence today rivals the best of any nation. That would be virtually impossible to hide for long.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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> the first time I've really thought hard about how big a target data centers would be in any sort of modern peer war Given the rapid and increasing rise of AI use in actually fighting wars, I suspect data centers won't just be a big target, they will eventually be the #1 priority target. Taking them offline won't just be of interest in terms of economic damage, it will be a direct strategic goal toward militarily wi…

Until it is clear that the use of AI in "actually fighting wars" doesn't put senior military people at risk of never being able to leave their own country again for fear of prosecution for war crimes, I'm not so sure that the "rapid and increasing rise" is going to actually be a thing.

It does not seem like USA, Israel, Iran or Russia cares.

That being said, if it has meaningful military data on it, then it is a valid target. And that would be their argument.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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Instead of targeting data center itself, it's far easier to target the electrical substation that powers the datacenter. It's relatively simple to do. Transformers require oil to cool themselves, and if the coolant reservoir is damaged, then they overheat and shut off. This exact infrastructure attack occurred in North Carolina in 2022 [0], where someone fired bullets into the coolant reservoirs and caused a several…

Higher tier data centers can run for extended periods of time on backup generators, and some indefinitely if roads allow for diesel delivery.

Not necessarily. Many backup generators can only run for whatever the insurance estimators have calculated is the time required to restore the grid connection and that's it. For example one common means of generating backup power is marine diesels, which are readily available. These use the ocean for cooling. If you're using them to power a data center you need to provide cooling water to run them, and when you've run through that they shut down. That's just one example, but in general you can't run backup generators indefinitely.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

#87

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Instead of targeting data center itself, it's far easier to target the electrical substation that powers the datacenter. It's relatively simple to do. Transformers require oil to cool themselves, and if the coolant reservoir is damaged, then they overheat and shut off. This exact infrastructure attack occurred in North Carolina in 2022 [0], where someone fired bullets into the coolant reservoirs and caused a several…

Both seem like easy targets. Hitting the datacenters themselves could results in more permanent damage.

No, taking out the transformers, which can have lead times of three to five years, will result in the most long-term damage. You can't just pull one out of storage and drop it into place.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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This may have been long discussed, but I feel like this war is the first time I've really thought hard about how big a target data centers would be in any sort of modern peer war and how that's an entirely new thing since the last time it was really on the radar (end of CW) right? We've built trillions and trillions of dollars in infrastructure in the peace time since, and it seems fairly concentrated. AWS is amongst…

One more reason for P2P decentralized tech.

Re: Iran strikes leave Amazon availability zones "hard down" in Bahrain and Dubai

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This may have been long discussed, but I feel like this war is the first time I've really thought hard about how big a target data centers would be in any sort of modern peer war and how that's an entirely new thing since the last time it was really on the radar (end of CW) right? We've built trillions and trillions of dollars in infrastructure in the peace time since, and it seems fairly concentrated. AWS is amongst…

Then ask yourself why is the US so aggressively trying to switch the world to a martial stance.

It’s a rhetorical question, of course, because we all know it’s because China is winning the traditional economic game on the manufacturing the McKinsey and Bain class sold out for decades and therefore military will have to become the new leadership measuremen, only appreciating as an asset in a less safe dog eat dog world.

The Thiels and friends who came up with this shit of course have their own infrastructure in their end time bunkers, but however stupid this gambit sounds, it’s what’s being played right now.

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