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Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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Post by galdauts »

kleiba wrote: post #71
johanneskanybal wrote: post #69

It sounds good on paper (pun intended) but policy strikes again, "Can my kid bring home her math book so we can work on the parts she's struggling with?" No of course not it lives in a cupboard at school 90% of the time might get some screen shares from it.

Interesting. Where we currently live, kids carry all books back and forth between home and school every day in giant backpacks.

Back when I went to school in Germany, we had a locker at school, but I just took the books I needed for assignments home with me. I haven't heard of schools that don't let you take (loaned) books home.

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #50
mentalgear wrote: post #15

I remember that - even though Steve Jobs promoted the iPad as a replacement to the 'heavy schoolbooks kids had to carry all day' - he never allowed his children to use iPads. I bet Zuckerberg doesn't allow his children to use social media. And I assume that Sam Altman won't allow his children to use AI chatbots. What does that tell us?

> And I assume that Sam Altman won't allow his children to use AI chatbots. I doubt that, but the others seem reasonable

Yeah Sam Altman's kids will use chatbots but here's the difference, your kids no matter the amount of money you're willing to spend will never ever get to use the chatbots Sam Altman's kids will have access to to build their legacy.

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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Post by bell-cot »

brookst wrote: post #64
mentalgear wrote: post #15

I remember that - even though Steve Jobs promoted the iPad as a replacement to the 'heavy schoolbooks kids had to carry all day' - he never allowed his children to use iPads. I bet Zuckerberg doesn't allow his children to use social media. And I assume that Sam Altman won't allow his children to use AI chatbots. What does that tell us?

Are Jobs, Zuckerberg, and Altman generally seen as experts in childhood development and education?

No - but they could hire full-time panels of such experts, and never miss the money.

More to the point - if the CEO of DogFoodCo won't let his own family pets eat any of his company's flagship products, then maybe smart dog owners should follow his example?

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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Post by raverbashing »

mentalgear wrote: post #15

I remember that - even though Steve Jobs promoted the iPad as a replacement to the 'heavy schoolbooks kids had to carry all day' - he never allowed his children to use iPads. I bet Zuckerberg doesn't allow his children to use social media. And I assume that Sam Altman won't allow his children to use AI chatbots. What does that tell us?

TBH the problem is not the iPad here.

An offline iPad with a limited set of educational apps/books would be a good classroom aid

Of course, an iPad without those limits is bad

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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Post by Koshkin »

brookst wrote: post #64
mentalgear wrote: post #15

I remember that - even though Steve Jobs promoted the iPad as a replacement to the 'heavy schoolbooks kids had to carry all day' - he never allowed his children to use iPads. I bet Zuckerberg doesn't allow his children to use social media. And I assume that Sam Altman won't allow his children to use AI chatbots. What does that tell us?

Are Jobs, Zuckerberg, and Altman generally seen as experts in childhood development and education?

Parents do not have to be "experts in chilhood development" to know what is best for their children. Especially experts in their fields like the manufacturing of alcohol, guns or other products universallly considered dangerous.

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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Post by Forgeties79 »

brookst wrote: post #64
mentalgear wrote: post #15

I remember that - even though Steve Jobs promoted the iPad as a replacement to the 'heavy schoolbooks kids had to carry all day' - he never allowed his children to use iPads. I bet Zuckerberg doesn't allow his children to use social media. And I assume that Sam Altman won't allow his children to use AI chatbots. What does that tell us?

Are Jobs, Zuckerberg, and Altman generally seen as experts in childhood development and education?

No need for the leading question/bait when you know what they’re saying. No one said they’re experts on childhood development, they’re saying “it’s telling they won’t even let their kids use these services when they swear it’s safe for our kids to do so.”

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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Post by brookst »

Argonaut998 wrote: post #80
brookst wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are Jobs, Zuckerberg, and Altman generally seen as experts in childhood development and education?

Do they need to be? If I was a billionaire surrounded by the most educated and competent people in the world I wouldn't even spare a thought for the "Whole words are better than phonics" crowd.

So it’s kind of an appeal to authority, without any evidence of authority?

I’d be super interested in the panels of experts that Jobs, Zuckerberg, and Altman (assuming GGP’s “asssumption” is correct) convened when making these decisions.

Absent that, this isn’t any more persuasive than saying that Coca Cola is good for infants because I assume Coke execs feed it to theirs.

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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Post by renewiltord »

functional_dev wrote: post #77
mentalgear wrote: post #15

I remember that - even though Steve Jobs promoted the iPad as a replacement to the 'heavy schoolbooks kids had to carry all day' - he never allowed his children to use iPads. I bet Zuckerberg doesn't allow his children to use social media. And I assume that Sam Altman won't allow his children to use AI chatbots. What does that tell us?

exactly, makes me think... if person who makes the bread does not feed his own family, something is wrong

Also a good reason for why one shouldn’t have one’s child raised through the policies of people who don’t want kids. If they don’t have any skin in the game…

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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Post by tuwtuwtuwtuw »

raverbashing wrote: post #84
mentalgear wrote: post #15

I remember that - even though Steve Jobs promoted the iPad as a replacement to the 'heavy schoolbooks kids had to carry all day' - he never allowed his children to use iPads. I bet Zuckerberg doesn't allow his children to use social media. And I assume that Sam Altman won't allow his children to use AI chatbots. What does that tell us?

TBH the problem is not the iPad here. An offline iPad with a limited set of educational apps/books would be a good classroom aid Of course, an iPad without those limits is bad

Are you certain about that being "good"?

Re: Sweden goes back to basics, swapping screens for books in the classroom

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

Telemakhos wrote: post #48
mentalgear wrote: post #15

I remember that - even though Steve Jobs promoted the iPad as a replacement to the 'heavy schoolbooks kids had to carry all day' - he never allowed his children to use iPads. I bet Zuckerberg doesn't allow his children to use social media. And I assume that Sam Altman won't allow his children to use AI chatbots. What does that tell us?

I think you are right, and your "bet" about Zuckerberg checks out, at least according to media reports about his family. Still, asking someone to draw an inference based on three pieces of evidence, of which two are a bet and an assumption, seems hasty.

For a random individual plucked out of general population, you would be correct. Three is hardly anything. However, for individuals that effectively determine what actual average is to a population ( by shaping tech that shapes said population at the very least ), it does not seem hasty. It may be a proxy, but it is not hasty.
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