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Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by nemomarx »

aogaili wrote: post #78
aogaili wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but it not like before. We (as humans) are getting more strict about losing people's life. We don't allow genocide, we don't allow colonization and enslavement, at least the majority of nations agree that this is not acceptable. So it is NOT like before. And the logical conclusion, as those drones get better and more widely adopted, is that war will be nothing more a video game with real economics and supply cha…

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who doesn't allow genocide nowadays, exactly? or rather who intervenes to stop it? they don't seem to be very quick.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by worik »

aogaili wrote: post #52

At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day? Both sides staring at screens, controlling drones fighting each other.. why use physical drones at all? abstract it away and play video game? In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively, and those who can't produce any more drones, lose. If you think about, we moved human one-…

> At this point might as well just play strategy video game and call it a day?

No.

Young men being slaughtered in their hundreds of thousands.

Not a game

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

ncruces wrote: post #77
aogaili wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but it not like before. We (as humans) are getting more strict about losing people's life. We don't allow genocide, we don't allow colonization and enslavement, at least the majority of nations agree that this is not acceptable. So it is NOT like before. And the logical conclusion, as those drones get better and more widely adopted, is that war will be nothing more a video game with real economics and supply cha…

We don't allow? Who doesn't? And what are they going to do about it?

The majority of nations? majority of people on earth? We are going to a multilateral world and to win a war you need secure the appeal of majority. If the majority think your war is illegal they can cut you off from the world economy.

It is a distributed consensus-based algorithm, and the young people who are writing those algorithms will shape the future of governance.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by iammjm »

dmos62 wrote: post #25

Someone here said "[Russian] tactical units", "smoke grenades". They must be joking. A drone like this is defending against 2-3 50-year-olds without military experience wading through a bombed out tree-line into almost certain death, because there are literal firing squads waiting if they don't. With a huge round like 12.7, all you have to do is fire pot shots in the general vicinity while drone pilots do the rest. A…

You are being dishonest. Those squads usually have SOME degree of drone, artillery and aviation support behind them. They are basically there to find out where the defenders are. Sure they are expendable, but they are just a part of the attack. I bet 24 hours sitting in a trench with FPVs, 152mms, and FABs exploding all over your position would change your mind as to the danger posed by those attacks you make fun of. Being at exactly this location vs kilometers away while remotely controlling a mobile gun turret makes ALL the difference

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by alephnerd »

aogaili wrote: post #75
alephnerd wrote: post #59

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> In the near future, war might be about who can build faster/better and hit the other economy more effectively This has been the assumption for over a decade now. > those who can't produce any more drones, lose Already the norm. Even the Taliban has been operating a drone mass production program for a couple years now [0][1]. > If one side economy collapses and their manufacturing collapse, then what is left? they c…

Yes, but what you are missing the cost of total elimination of the other side. For example, in Iraq, Saddam was able to use chemical weapons and wipe out the resistance, this is no longer an accepted solution by majority of people on earth. So there is no real way to actually win a war. If you can't kill or enslave the other population, and the world is not accepting refugees, if you hit one economy completely you mi…

> You are left with the only option of nulling the other's economy down

How do you (detest this phrasing, it very glib) null the other side?

Most weapon systems aren't developed in entirely separate supply chains - they use off-the-shelf components that are available for commercial usecases as well.

To successfully take out an opponents operational capacity when they are using dual use technology means the barrier between "civilian" and "military" is nonexistent.

It basically means the return to total war doctrine.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by worik »

spyder wrote: post #67

But how it was not destroyed by flying Russian drones? Did it shot them down? Or did it have some anti-drone support unit helping it?

I have an educated guess.

Flying drones are lethal, but fairly random. Attacking a point target, which will have anti-drone support, is not what they are for.

And too cheap for a missile which is the weapon for a point target

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by aogaili »

gambiting wrote: post #80
aogaili wrote: post #78

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What made you come to that conclusion?

You either agree or disagree with the idea of genocide. And if you disagree with idea of genocide, then this is becoming closer to video games as more drones are deployed which is my thesis. But if you agree with the idea of genocide, then yes, wars can be won by total elimination (or major reduction) in the other people's population and loss of life.

So do you think genocide is acceptable in war or not?

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

aprentic wrote: post #34

Reading between the lines of the article it seems advanced but not too surprising. I assume that at night when it "withdrew to a covered location" there was opportunity for maintenance, battery swaps, etc. The article says that it successfully carried out "multiple calls for fire." That sounds like over those 45 days there were multiple missions to provide suppressive fire. They're not explicit about what that means…

I believe the movie Aliens (1986) has one of the best movie uses of auto turrets.

Re: Ukrainian drone holds position for 6 weeks

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Post by iammjm »

naizarak wrote: post #35

Nice marketing pitch. In reality it was probably parked at an empty crossroads 10 miles behind the frontline, taking potshots at "suspected" enemy positions.

Why are talking about something you have no idea about? There are multiple videos of this system engaging in combat missions. There are first-person videos from them accompanied by footage of recon drones flying above them. And some of those videos are from last year already.
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