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U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Re: U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Post by haswell »

spicyusername wrote: post #62
wat10000 wrote: post #29

It certainly is interesting living in a declining empire.

This is a common refrain you hear a lot. I get why people say it, because it feels good to say when you feel bad. But the decline of the Roman empire took nearly 500 years. Even the bronze age collapse, which you might say happened fast, took more than 100. A thought I have every time someone parrots this is, "what is reasonable to expect?". Would you have heard people saying the same thing during the civil war? Duri…

I do think your comment is bringing up valid questions/points.

One thing that worries me about the current state of things is scale and speed. Modern technology, markets, communication systems and supply chains make it possible for things to go catastrophically wrong very quickly for a massive number of people.

I think this is somewhat unique to the current era.

I still don’t buy into the belief that we’re absolutely witnessing a collapse. Studying history shows that things have been far worse (politically, socially geopolitically, etc) and we’ve come out the other side numerous times.

So I think “ups and downs” is probably the right way to look at this. I do worry about the impact of modern technology on this equation.

Re: U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Post by linguae »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #42
maplethorpe wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still holding out for this being some 4d chess move that's way over my head. If he really is this foolish, then why did we all vote for him?

I'm guessing that one reason we got Trump is that the Democrats presented two poor alternatives in a row. It was clear that Biden was mentally slipping. Even if you were a fan of his general politics, 4 additional years of mental decline while in office was a scary prospect. And then Kamala Harris was given very little time to sell herself to the voters. I'm wondering if Trump would have won had the Democrats present…

I believe Trump would have won 2020 had the COVID pandemic not happened. Things were very chaotic in 2020 America. Biden and his extensive experience in the federal government looked reassuring to a lot of Americans. Biden would have had a tougher time against Trump had 2020 been more like 2019. I believe Biden would have had a tougher time against Bernie Sanders in the primaries had COVID not happened, though a counterargument is that Super Tuesday happened on March 3, before shelter-in-place policies were in effect in California.

A big reason for Trump's success despite his polarizing nature is the polarizing effects of the platforms of our two parties, which distinguish themselves on "culture war" issues such as abortion, gun rights, immigration, LGBT+ rights, and race relations. There are many Americans who love the MAGA agenda, and there are also many Americans who are not in 100% agreement with MAGA but who'd never vote for a Democrat since they feel that a candidate with the opposite cultural views is anathema. If third parties were more viable in America, the latter group of voters could vote for a candidate that is more to their temperament instead of voting for whomever the GOP nominee is.

Re: U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Post by cj »

SlinkyOnStairs wrote: post #73
chadash wrote: post #54

Bad quarter for certain, but to keep things in perspective, the S&P is still up 13% over the past 12 months (likely 14% as soon as the market opens in 20 minutes). There's nothing magical about a "quarter". Had Q1 2025 ended 4 days later, it would have been significantly worse than this, but then the market went on to have a huge rally after that.

> There's nothing magical about a "quarter". There isn't. But everyone knows the US stock market is about run off a cliff. Or rather, it already has. Everyone is looking at the quarters because they're waiting for Wile E. Coyote to look down.

What's that old saying?

Be greedy when others are fearful, or something like that?

Re: U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Post by lovich »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #42
maplethorpe wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still holding out for this being some 4d chess move that's way over my head. If he really is this foolish, then why did we all vote for him?

I'm guessing that one reason we got Trump is that the Democrats presented two poor alternatives in a row. It was clear that Biden was mentally slipping. Even if you were a fan of his general politics, 4 additional years of mental decline while in office was a scary prospect. And then Kamala Harris was given very little time to sell herself to the voters. I'm wondering if Trump would have won had the Democrats present…

If you were worried about Biden’s mental decline but looked at Trumps behavior and statements as from someone mentally competent and not also slipping into dementia, then you just wanted Trumps politics and vibes your way into thinking it was ok.

I’m so excited for the future where nobody apparently voted for Trump and never backed him, the same way everyone mysteriously didn’t vote for GWB after his fuckups got too big to ignore

Re: U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Post by JTbane »

grafmax wrote: post #58
blitzar wrote: post #8

I don't know why you are asking about pedophiles and sex trafficing - The Dow is over 50,000 right now, the S&P is at almost 7,000, and the Nasdaq is smashing records. Americans' 401(k) savings are booming, thats what we should be talking about.

Funny how 401ks can make members of the American public think the stock market is really about them. In capitalism, assets follow a Pareto distribution. A small minority hold the majority of assets.

Agreed, pensions are obviously better but the private sector collectively decided not to have them much anymore.

Re: U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Post by iso1631 »

small_model wrote: post #46
mikewarot wrote: post #13

In less than a decade, the Dow will likely go over 1,000,000. (Because the Dollar is about to tank) I used to believe the unwinding of the Petrodollar would take a generation, it's now likely to happen this year . Trump's wild late night rants threatening civilian infrastructure gave all the cover Iran needed to take out the infrastructure of any of our allies that have US connections or bases. The effects of those a…

Paper Tiger? they just obliterated Iran and have most of the nukes, advanced military tech and AI tech. So no.

You literally launched a war on cheap oil.

Trump is the biggest environmentalist terrorist on the planet. Blow up a few schools and cause the world to double down on cutting out their oil usage.

It would be hilarious if people weren't dying.

Re: U.S. stocks are set to deliver their worst quarter in nearly four years

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Post by shevy-java »

I think the current mafia in charge of the US government, along with their insider trading, needs to financially compensate the rest of the world. First, of course, regular US citizens who were frauded by them; but then also the rest of the world for driving up the prices - first via AI (may be legal but I find it a scam still, look at the RAM prices), now by driving the prices of energy up. Why do I have to pay the recent increase in inflation? Trump and his oligarch mafia should pay for that. The Epstein connection may indeed be much larger than we know - there must be a new, full, thorough investigation, not just by the USA; the USA covers up. ALL countries need to uncover how big and deep the kompromat reaches here.
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