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Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall
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Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall
#82I worked on a disk utility in the 90s called PartitionMagic that was one of the first ones to let you dynamically resize disk partitions. Maybe Samsung used that when naming their product. I am old, but I miss the days when the install process was copy . to / and the uninstall process was delete /
> I am old, but I miss the days when the install process was copy . to / and the uninstall process was delete / I don't remember this ever being the case, even in times of DOS.
It still is for a lot of Mac Apps. You download a DMG, and you get somethinglike [0] where you drag the icon over, and it installs. The last app I uninstalled also removed the matching Library Support folders, which was neat!
[0] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8680132/creating-nice-dm...
Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's because this particular sort of cyber security is merely theatrics with the goal of reducing user agency and increasing paranoia and vendor lock-in. The user facing friction is the goal. There will always be scams and viruses; the only practical outcome will be that you have less control over your computer, and Apple/MS/Google have more. See: Sideloading, Wayland, UWPs, iOS JIT, Windows XP and 7 still being us…
I strongly disagree. I often have apps on my Mac or iPhone that ask for permission to see my camera, microphone, contacts, etc etc that I don't want it to see. But I do want other apps to be able to access those things. Being able to stop those apps from accessing before they do instead of trying to fix it after is incredibly valuable. Sure some users just accept everything, but that is not an argument against them e…
Those examples are very reasonable. However I also had Mac OS suddenly treat all m4a files on the system as potential malware and it blocked any attempt at opening them. Why did it do that? Because I checked the "set as default app" option, one minute after I had already opened the same file using the same application. The only way to open the files was by entering the password in the settings app each time - but re-setting the same app as default in the file's Get Info dialog got rid of that "protection" system-wide without any password prompts or extra permissions. I don't see how that was supposed to help with security.
Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall
#84This is a great reason to choose an alternative.
Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall
#85I feel like the complaints here are…not really Samsung's fault? > So I’ve dug around and found a cleanup script buried six folders deep inside the app bundle. Let’s try to run it: > sh ~/Library/'Application Support'/Samsung/'Samsung Magician'/SamsungMagician.app/Contents/Resources/CleanupMagician_Admin_Mac.sh > It ran. And my kitty exploded. Sweet kitty overflowed. Hundreds - literally hundreds - of lines of chown:…
It's a .sh script, so he could have read it before running it. And when he saw "chown: Operation not permitted", he could have realized that the word Admin in the script was a clue that it needed, well, admin-level privileges, and he should try running it with sudo (after reading it first, naturally). I'm with you, I feel like this is someone who caused himself a lot of self-inflicted pain. I mean, if he had read the…
And what about for users that either can’t find this uninstall script or wouldn’t know how to read it or what the contents mean? While I think you do have a point, we also can’t assume that the uninstall script really would’ve removed all traces.
Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall
#86I think the most obscene thing here is that macOS is now littered with permission prompts for camera, background execution, etc, but makes no effort to stop even industry partners from spraying the disk with dozens of files that can’t be removed easily.
That's because this particular sort of cyber security is merely theatrics with the goal of reducing user agency and increasing paranoia and vendor lock-in. The user facing friction is the goal. There will always be scams and viruses; the only practical outcome will be that you have less control over your computer, and Apple/MS/Google have more. See: Sideloading, Wayland, UWPs, iOS JIT, Windows XP and 7 still being us…
I think we're on the same side in principle. The ability for people to interact with the wider world using general purpose computers that they fully control should be sacrosanct, and attempts to interfere with that such as remote attestation, app store exclusivity, and developer verification are evil.
Sandboxing apps by default is not that. The principle of least privilege is good security. If I vibecode some quick and dirty hobby app and share it with the world, it's better if the robot's mistake can't `rm -rf ~/` or give some creep access to your webcam.
The user should be able to override that in any way they see fit of course.
Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall
#87The last time I booted to a windows drive on my prior desktop was to update the firmware on a Samsung NVME SSD drive to prevent premature failure. Was kind of a pain for even that task as I hadn't been running Windows for about a year at that point... in fact my insiders build of windows was so out of sync it wouldn't even update anymore. Meh.
Since then I've been using Corsair and WD Black drives, since Samsung has gotten overpriced and hasn't seemed as reliable the past few years. That application was one of the reasons.
Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall
#88Parts of that article are just downright terrible. First, the criticism of Electron is moot. Yes it's not sleek, but it's sufficient. This app is not supposed to be used heavily on a daily basis. Run it once to setup your drive, run it a few months later for a firmware upgrade or a quick health check and that's all. And when you had a taste of the absolute UX monsters some hardware vendors can produce on the software…
While your point is valid, it makes an even stronger case that it should be easy to uninstall
Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall
#89If you're installing Samsung Magician for firmware updates, keep in mind that you can always update your firmware without using it and it's just as safe.
Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall
#90I worked on a disk utility in the 90s called PartitionMagic that was one of the first ones to let you dynamically resize disk partitions. Maybe Samsung used that when naming their product. I am old, but I miss the days when the install process was copy . to / and the uninstall process was delete /
> I worked on a disk utility in the 90s called PartitionMagic
PartitionMagic was a S-Tier windows utility. Thank you.