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Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by marssaxman »

smarf wrote: post #52
ishouldstayaway wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In English, "America" means the USA specifically. But you knew that already and decided to just post bait.

or, perhaps, they are wryly pushing back against the USA capturing a generic geographic term for themselves

The level of arrogance some western-hemisphere Spanish speakers have, trying to tell foreigners that the name they use for their own country in their own native language is wrong, demanding that they translate the Spanish name and use that instead, is so absurdly entitled that it's just... hilarious.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by hedora »

mothballed wrote: post #29
vkou wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What social safety net? Is there some office that I can just show up without any papers and get free money?

You basically can for WIC, but that's about it. Although the other big one is public schooling is also almost always entitled to everyone at quite high cost (despite poor performance per dollar).

Note that the performance / dollar is much worse for immigrants than for citizens.

You still have to pay for things like social security, etc, but you don't get to collect those benefits.

Before someone says "but illegal immigrants don't those taxes!", note that they actually do:

If not, then their employer is engaged in tax fraud, which is much easier to prove and prosecute than trying to track down and check the immigration statues of each of their employees.

The US government runs a huge profit on legal immigrants (above average job creation / economic growth), and on illegal immigrants (they pay for services they cannot utilize).

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

mindslight wrote: post #45
JohnFen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, if you want to have one with you, leave your regular cell phone at home (or ship it ahead to your destination via parcel carrier) and carry a burner/travel-only phone instead. Don't put any personal data on that phone. Not even contact numbers. Carry those in printed form separately.

We really need some straightforward way to carry a mostly-wiped phone, and then download an app, input credentials [0] (stored in your head), and have everything [1] downloaded from a cloud server and ready to go. [0] since I'm spelling this out, one of those credentials should be a passphrase such that the server doesn't have access to your data [1] modulo data/apps you actually want on a phone in a foreign country,…

You just reinvented iCloud - welcome to 2011.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by hedora »

mindslight wrote: post #59
4MOAisgoodenuf wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you not remember life before ICE and TSA or are you not old enough to legally rent a car?

Your assertion of age is way off. Most people are going to be well into adulthood by the time they've flown enough to perceive the "security" process as its own thing.

DHS was created after 9/11. Most car rental places won't rent to people under the age of 25.

There's maybe a few month period between the birth day cutoff and the founding of the DHS.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by guzfip »

marssaxman wrote: post #81
smarf wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or, perhaps, they are wryly pushing back against the USA capturing a generic geographic term for themselves

The level of arrogance some western-hemisphere Spanish speakers have, trying to tell foreigners that the name they use for their own country in their own native language is wrong , demanding that they translate the Spanish name and use that instead, is so absurdly entitled that it's just... hilarious.

> The level of arrogance some western-hemisphere Spanish speakers have

It’s almost exclusively Western Europeans doing this IME

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

marssaxman wrote: post #42
next_xibalba wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You must be young. Many of us who are middle-aged or older clearly remember what the US was like before it created the present security apparatus, and "total collapse of the social safety net" is quite the opposite of what I would expect if we rolled it back. Wouldn't it be nice if we could use the billions we waste on this repressive jackboot-theater for an actual safety net instead? We could live in a less brutal s…

Last year I flew out of Costa Rica and London. They have the same security requirements except the removal of shoes as does getting on the Chunnel between London and Paris.

Is there any country anywhere in the world that doesn’t have basically the same requirements?

You seem to be glossing over all of the hijackings that happen back in the day.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by GTP »

mindslight wrote: post #45
JohnFen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, if you want to have one with you, leave your regular cell phone at home (or ship it ahead to your destination via parcel carrier) and carry a burner/travel-only phone instead. Don't put any personal data on that phone. Not even contact numbers. Carry those in printed form separately.

We really need some straightforward way to carry a mostly-wiped phone, and then download an app, input credentials [0] (stored in your head), and have everything [1] downloaded from a cloud server and ready to go. [0] since I'm spelling this out, one of those credentials should be a passphrase such that the server doesn't have access to your data [1] modulo data/apps you actually want on a phone in a foreign country,…

Interesting idea. But, in your vision, what would be the main difference between this approach and actually wiping your device, install just some basic apps you need during the travel (e.g. airline's app for the boarding pass and flight info) and then restore from your cloud backup at the end of the flight? Main difference I see is that Apple/Google wouldn't have access to your data, but this only makes sense if you're not using their services to start with.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

hedora wrote: post #82
mothballed wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You basically can for WIC, but that's about it. Although the other big one is public schooling is also almost always entitled to everyone at quite high cost (despite poor performance per dollar).

Note that the performance / dollar is much worse for immigrants than for citizens. You still have to pay for things like social security, etc, but you don't get to collect those benefits. Before someone says "but illegal immigrants don't those taxes!", note that they actually do: If not, then their employer is engaged in tax fraud, which is much easier to prove and prosecute than trying to track down and check the im…

If they are employing people who are not eligible to work , they are already committing fraud

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

4MOAisgoodenuf wrote: post #31
crimsoneer wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Do you not remember life before ICE and TSA or are you not old enough to legally rent a car?

“Life” was the same before the TSA, airport security just wasn’t controlled by the government.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by mindslight »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #83
mindslight wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We really need some straightforward way to carry a mostly-wiped phone, and then download an app, input credentials [0] (stored in your head), and have everything [1] downloaded from a cloud server and ready to go. [0] since I'm spelling this out, one of those credentials should be a passphrase such that the server doesn't have access to your data [1] modulo data/apps you actually want on a phone in a foreign country,…

You just reinvented iCloud - welcome to 2011.

Does iCloud not blast you with a bunch of "2FA" hassles the way Google does? That passwords are no longer complete account credentials makes this approach a non-starter, unless you want to come up with some protocol with a trusted person who stays home (with access to your account) and can perform those verification steps for you.

Even so I would still be worried about the nonstandard behavior of activating a new device in a foreign country causing my Apple/Google account to get straight up locked by their arbitrary and capricious "security" systems.

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