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Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by kyralis »

hagbard_c wrote: post #78
kyralis wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it? Or does it mean that we got rid of those people who would otherwise likely be rejected due to inalienable characteristics and who could have helped avoid groupthink, leading to an improved chance of solving problems?

No, it does not mean that. Have a look around you and you'll notice plenty of people with those inalienable characteristics in just about all positions you can think of. Some of them will have gained their positions due to preferential treatment or other 'DEI predecessors' but many just happened to have those characteristics while fitting the job profile . As Thomas Sowell said [1] and says: “Racism is not dead. But…

You're making a claim about it - twice now - that you haven't actually yet justified by any data. I'm suggesting there are, in fact, alternate explanations.

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

esafak wrote: post #28
Someone1234 wrote: post #25

A lot of core services in the US are near collapse, because society focuses on short-term value extraction, over long term success. If you look at the US's history, there was a much better balance between the two (with the core being seen as a lever towards future wealth). You see this in education, infrastructure, public health, scientific research, housing, and energy. All foundational systems of a society, which c…

Through the right incentives, like repealing quarterly reporting requirements. https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/us-sec-preparing-el...

Quarterly reporting requirements are clearly not the causal factor in short term incentives. All the best performing publicly listed businesses invest on decades long timelines risking billions and tens of billions of dollars.

Simultaneously, plenty of non publicly listed businesses make decisions that benefit in the short term at the expense of the long term.

Reducing quarterly reporting requirements does reduce transparency, however,

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by wagwang »

SecretDreams wrote: post #73
wagwang wrote: post #21

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It's inherently unfair because its used to drive down wages of the lower classes. Outside of highly skilled work that cannot be sourced from within the country that is critical for nation security, the moral response is to just pay the workers more.

> the moral response is to just pay the workers more. While I don't disagree, and while I firmly believe in UBI (which is the natural conclusion to your logic), without a comprehensive plan in place, just "paying people more" will be a bit of a death spiral since that is a core contributor to inflation on a large scale.

There's no evidence that tight labor markets lead to a inflation death spiral, food in america is supposed to be expensive because America is a wealthy nation. The elites like to dress this up as something that is bad for the lower class but it's quite the opposite, the lower class in wealthy high cost of living, low immigration countries do very well, not that there are many of these countries left.

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by oceanplexian »

rsync wrote: post #53

I am flying from SFO -> DEN in a few days and I see that Denver wait time is 4 minutes and, as is well known, SFO does not use TSA or federal security staff. Denver does, however, so I wonder why there is no wait at DEN and hundreds of minutes at Houston/Atlanta/JFK ?

I’m a frequent flier and flown into all of the above, the ones with TSA issues have been perpetually mismanaged under the best conditions, it’s not even remotely surprising that they are having issues under pressure.

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by array_key_first »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #47
ryandrake wrote: post #22

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The US policy seems pretty clear: Allow companies who employ undocumented workers to benefit and profit from it, while making sure only the individual workers shoulder the criminal and livelihood risks.

I thought the policy is that you can't hire without documentation. Do you mean that there is a scheme in place, outside of the legal framework?

Yes, there is a legal scheme in place: you're not allowed to validate the authenticity of provided documentation as a company. If someone is undocumented, they can forge documents and that's completely allowed.

The reason we have this loophole is because many industries, particularly in the South, rely directly on immigrant labor. The republicans cannot risk alienating their consistency or further hurting the already brittle economy of Red states. That's why we get a constant flow of completely ineffective and performative solutions, like ICE.

Just start locking up executives who have employees that are undocumented, and the problem would disappear before your very eyes. But, building a wall is easier, and you can see a wall.

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

autoexec wrote: post #80
SecretDreams wrote: post #73

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> the moral response is to just pay the workers more. While I don't disagree, and while I firmly believe in UBI (which is the natural conclusion to your logic), without a comprehensive plan in place, just "paying people more" will be a bit of a death spiral since that is a core contributor to inflation on a large scale.

If you look at the massive increase in, for example, CEO salaries over the last few decades why was nobody worried about inflation then? "Pay people more" seems to be just fine as long as it's only certain people. Once the wrong kind of people, whose wages have stagnated for decades, want an increase in pay then our entire economy is suddenly at risk. I feel that the main driver behind the inflation we've seen in the…

> CEO salaries over the last few decades why was nobody worried about inflation then?

Because it’s economically insignificant. Total CEO pay across the Russell 1000 excluding Musk is in the tens of billions. Paying a few people more isn’t inflationary. (It’s other kinds of problematic.)

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by boelboel »

Someone1234 wrote: post #25

A lot of core services in the US are near collapse, because society focuses on short-term value extraction, over long term success. If you look at the US's history, there was a much better balance between the two (with the core being seen as a lever towards future wealth). You see this in education, infrastructure, public health, scientific research, housing, and energy. All foundational systems of a society, which c…

It can't be fixed because America is not a nation state.

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by trimethylpurine »

array_key_first wrote: post #85
trimethylpurine wrote: post #47

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I thought the policy is that you can't hire without documentation. Do you mean that there is a scheme in place, outside of the legal framework?

Yes, there is a legal scheme in place: you're not allowed to validate the authenticity of provided documentation as a company. If someone is undocumented, they can forge documents and that's completely allowed. The reason we have this loophole is because many industries, particularly in the South, rely directly on immigrant labor. The republicans cannot risk alienating their consistency or further hurting the already…

According to 8 USC 1324, it looks like what you're talking about could quickly land you in prison for up to 5 years. So, it's a scheme maybe, but not a legal one.

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Post by billfor »

nathan_compton wrote: post #64
billfor wrote: post #54

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It’s a good thing new hires don’t have to wait or be rejected because the FAA needed to hire a different race or sex for the position.

The FAA never had any such policies as far as I can tell.

This will get downvoted from the mindless reactionaries here but here’s the link to the practice. https://nypost.com/2025/02/10/us-news/air-traffic-controller...

Re: American aviation is near collapse?

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Post by array_key_first »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #88
array_key_first wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, there is a legal scheme in place: you're not allowed to validate the authenticity of provided documentation as a company. If someone is undocumented, they can forge documents and that's completely allowed. The reason we have this loophole is because many industries, particularly in the South, rely directly on immigrant labor. The republicans cannot risk alienating their consistency or further hurting the already…

According to 8 USC 1324, it looks like what you're talking about could quickly land you in prison for up to 5 years. So, it's a scheme maybe, but not a legal one.

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about - 8 USC 1324 is related to harboring or bringing an alien. Companies hiring people with what they believe are genuine documents, by reasonable inspection, is perfectly legal. Please note this just means you have to look at them.

The companies are doing this "unknowingly". Of course they're not stupid, they're fully aware they're hiring a lot of undocumented people. But nobody, on record, knows that. To them, all their employees have documents which appear valid. It is pretty easy to forge I-9 documents.

Part of this is because the US has incredibly poor identification infrastructure. Often, not even US citizens can be reliably identified, as seen in commercial banking. The other part is that companies cannot choose to not hire people because they think they are undocumented. You can't hire someone because they're too brown and not American sounding enough.

That's not to say that I think the solution is universal identification or legalization of racism in hiring practices.

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