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What came after the 486?

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Re: What came after the 486?

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I remember writing a cyberpunk story as a kid, in which everyone was rocking badass 786s.

    1974: Intel 8080
    1978: Intel 8086
    1982: Intel 80286
    1985: Intel 80386
    1990: Intel 8010386
    1995: Intel 801040386
    2005: Intel 80107045386
    2025: Intel 8.010207659386e12

Re: What came after the 486?

#82
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Itanium was bonkers in lots of ways—very cool in others. But this market segmentation idea just seems absolutely insane to me in a way I’ve never had anyone satisfactorily explain. It requires Intel to voluntarily destroy the commodity economics that put their CPUs on a rocket ship to domination. It’s as if they actually bought into the RISC FUD from the 1990’s that x86 was unscalable, exactly when it was taking its…

They were trying to compete with Sun and IBM in the server space (SPARC and Power) and thought that they needed a totally pro architecture (which Itanium was). The baggage of 32-bit x86 would have just slowed it all down. However having an x86-64 would have confused customers in the middle. Think back then it was all about massive databases - that was where the big money was and x86 wasn't really setup for the top en…

Steve Jobs quote seems appropriate and yet still hard for companies to learn: "If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will"

Re: What came after the 486?

#83
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i686 was the microarchitecture introduced with the Pentium Pro and then Pentium II.

If I am correct, the Pentium Pro was the first "out of order" design. It specialized in 32-bit code, and did not handle 16-bit code very well. The original Pentium I believe introduced a second pipeline that required a compiler to optimize for it to achieve maximum performance. AMD actually made successful CPUs based on Berkeley RISC, similar to SPARC (they used register windows). The AMD K5 had this RISC CPU at its…

That reminds of using the pencil method on an Athlon to overclock.

Re: What came after the 486?

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I remember fondly the AMD K6/2 architecture. It was the CPU of a ultra-budget priced Compaq Presario laptop that got me through graduate school back in the day. Some years later, back in my home country (Paraguay) I met a lady who had a side business being a VAR builder of desktop PCs. In my country, due to a lot of constraints, there was (and is) quite a money crunch and people tried to cheap out the most when purch…

Those sellers never disappeared; although I'm from not from Paraguay, the situation is familiar. These days they're selling desktops built on 10+ year old Xeons which you can buy for dirt cheap on AliExpress, installed on frankenstein motherboards from noname Chinese manufacturers which are desktop-oriented, but take server processors. The graphics card is something old like RX480, and comes from being run into the g…

A NUC would be enough for a 90% of cases and much cheaper on the long run.

Re: What came after the 486?

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Those sellers never disappeared; although I'm from not from Paraguay, the situation is familiar. These days they're selling desktops built on 10+ year old Xeons which you can buy for dirt cheap on AliExpress, installed on frankenstein motherboards from noname Chinese manufacturers which are desktop-oriented, but take server processors. The graphics card is something old like RX480, and comes from being run into the g…

A NUC would be enough for a 90% of cases and much cheaper on the long run.

NUCs are high-end miniPCs, there are much lower-end ones including on the second-hand market that are okay for baseline uses.

Re: What came after the 486?

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Those sellers never disappeared; although I'm from not from Paraguay, the situation is familiar. These days they're selling desktops built on 10+ year old Xeons which you can buy for dirt cheap on AliExpress, installed on frankenstein motherboards from noname Chinese manufacturers which are desktop-oriented, but take server processors. The graphics card is something old like RX480, and comes from being run into the g…

Well, a lot of people here would have loved to have 10-year old Xeons in their motherboards; while power hungry, I guess they would make good CPUs since they have good cache sizes. But no, there's no Xeons in our offers here. What people get here now are Intel Pentium and Celeron-branded CPUs, or N-class CPUs, with the onboard GPU only, 4GB RAM and 1 TB HDD running unlicensed Windows with understandable results. But…

> Intel Pentium and Celeron-branded CPUs,

Don't look at the branding. Look at the core type, count, and speed (maybe).

It's been a while since I shopped Intel, but they used to typically release a low core count/lower clock speed Pentium/Celeron on the mainstream cores, often with no hyperthreading. These were typically low cost and could be a good value, you'd get decent single core performance because it's the newest architecture and multicore performance would be iffy but you can't have everything.

> N-class CPUs

These are definitely worth avoiding most of the time. Usually twice the cores, but much less performance per clock. Never feels fast for interactive work. But they make sense for some situations. Some of these get an n3 branding to trick people looking for i3s.

Re: What came after the 486?

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Small correction, Pentium Pro was the first OoO microprocessor from Intel. Others like IBM POWER1 came earlier

It was intel's (at least) second OoO processor, after i960 - from which it pulled important team members.

Was i960 OoO?

Re: What came after the 486?

#89
Nice nostalgic piece. I have a lot of fond "favorite chip" memories from that era.

Not to be too pedantic, I would contend that at the time, it was pretty clear to enthusiast what the differences were. Everyone in the industry was paying attention to 486s and the cost of a genuine intel chip. The FDIV bug was on every Evening News for weeks. AMD and Cyrix vs intel debates were common.

I agree that it is not obvious now that Pentium came after 486, but at the time, it was clear.

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