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France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

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#81
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Is an aircraft carrier's location supposed to be secret? Pretty hard to hide from a satellite I'd imagine.

It's pretty hard to hide it from anything . Its surface is ~17000 m² (a tennis court is ~260 m²), and is 75 m high (~ 25 floors building - probably half of it under water, but still). And that's a mid-sized carrier according to Wikipedia. It's not built for hiding at all, that's what submarines are for (and that's where our nukes are).

But the ocean is very very huge to find it still.

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#82
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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Iran is everyones problem It was at best a regional problem until the US and israel decided to fuck things up and make it a global problem, they didn't have nukes, they were not building nukes, even if they had nukes they would not have used them for anything other than extinction level threats, so just like israel, everyone is OK with them having nukes despite being the same type of religious nutjob thecracy, stra…

> even if they had nukes they would not have used them for anything other than extinction level threats I'd agree for just about any other country, but Iran have a terrorist regime that is funding terrorists everywhere. They are not like Pakistan or North Korea etc, Iran is crazy and doesn't follow normal international norms. Even Russia and Ukraine doesn't bomb third party countries in war just for supporting the ot…

What actual terrorism they funded that was actually deadlier than what US created in Iraq with ISIS (created as a result of pretty much the same, let's get some country stripped by force of some [imagined] WMDs, US adventure)?

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#83

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Because even the UK is getting fed up with Trump? They literally started preparing to deploy on of the carriers to the Gulf and Trump basically told them to fuck off because they were "late" to the war? Now he's changed his mind again, who gives a damn? He can reap what he has sowed.

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#84
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Maybe it was just an old stupid treason? Someone against the war and… hard to believe there are no rules about location.

Maybe it was fake. Someone with a water-borne drone and Starlink could spoof it, in order to throw those pesky Iranians off the scent. Unless you were on the aircraft carrier, had satellite imagery or could physically see it, it would be hard to prove that it was a fake. Any attempt at debunking would meet fierce resistance from Strava bros.

Someone with a computer sitting basically anywhere in the world could spoof it.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#85
post #2

Is an aircraft carrier's location supposed to be secret? Pretty hard to hide from a satellite I'd imagine.

I would have thought so too but Naval Gazing has a short series [0] on why it's not as dire as one might think. An aircraft carrier's location being "secret" in this case is just one layer of the survivability onion [1] anyhow. (Caveat that as someone who takes a casual interest in this, I can't vouch for accurate this is at all.)

[0] https://www.navalgazing.net/Carrier-Doom-Part-1

[1] https://www.goonhammer.com/star-wars-armada-naval-academy-wa...

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#86
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran is being fed intelligence by Russia, so they definitely have that info.

okay, imagine a different example which you don't think is being fed intelligence by russia

Everyone capable of damaging the ships can get that intelligence.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I kind of understand that, although of course i completely disagree with their line of thinking. Iran is everyones problem and open conflict like this would have been hard to avoid down the road. Point is they had months to anticipate this latest conflict, why did they do absolutely nothing to mitigate this? Why was the UK apparently completely unprepared? Europe's economy is suffering, more then America. Why do we e…

Generally, the one who causes the problem should fix it. Especially when the problem they caused is hurting their friends. It takes a really good friend to not only accept and forgive the hurt caused, but to help fix the problem, too. Usually an apology from the problem-causer must come first. I think what we're seeing is that the USA has un-good-friended so many countries that it has no good friends left with the mi…

there are no friends at the global scale just alliances. If Europe doesn't want to help then there's no forcing them to. Conversely, if the US manages to get the strait open and oil flowing there's no stopping them from requiring Europe to pay a little extra for the trouble. Fair or not, who's going to stop the other side? You can't exactly ask to speak to the manager.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#88
An aircraft carrier can be seen with the naked eye from 10 meters above the shore for about 28 miles.

So the entire Spanish coast, Moroccan coast, Algerian coast, mallorca, sardegna, Sicily, tunesia, the Greek isles, and who knows how many cruise ships, fishing vessels, and commercial aircraft all saw this ship.

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#89
post #77

I seriously doubt there is a country on earth which lacks the capability to detect an aircraft carrier's presence in the Mediterranean sea. We are not talking about stealth vehicles.

Mediterranean maybe (although I'm not sure), but it's actually very hard to find a ship, even as large as an aircraft carrier, in the ocean. The empty space is just too big. Satellites have hard time taking pictures of every square mile of a sea to find any ship, yet alone the one you need.

Re: France's aircraft carrier located in real time by Le Monde through fitness app

#90
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Is an aircraft carrier's location supposed to be secret? Pretty hard to hide from a satellite I'd imagine.

Many of the threats to a carrier aren’t nation states with a constellation of satellites.

Everyone who's a threat to the carrier can get that from an ally.

You can damage or sink an ordinary ship with a bombing, like what happened to the USS Cole, but a carrier will have a fleet escorting them.

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