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Cursor Composer 2 is just Kimi K2.5 with RL

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Re: Cursor Composer 2 is just Kimi K2.5 with RL

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Post by bearjaws »

dmix wrote: post #69
mohsen1 wrote: post #22

Cursor Composer 1 was Qwen and this is Kimi. IDE is based on VSCode. The entire company is build on packaging open source and reselling it. Ollama is also doing this. There is so much money to be made repackaging open source these days. So funny to see Twitter go wild saying "a 50 person team just beat Anthropic" blah blah.

Cursor’s integration is much deeper than just plugging an LLM into VSCode That said I have a feeling both VSCode and Claude code will catch up to their integration. But neither comes close yet (I say that as someone who mainly uses Claude Code).

As a command line junkie, what is the main thing Claude Code needs to catch up with cursor?

I haven't dove into using a LLM in my editor, so I am less familiar with workflows there.

Re: Cursor Composer 2 is just Kimi K2.5 with RL

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Post by Tostino »

miroljub wrote: post #72
mohsen1 wrote: post #22

Cursor Composer 1 was Qwen and this is Kimi. IDE is based on VSCode. The entire company is build on packaging open source and reselling it. Ollama is also doing this. There is so much money to be made repackaging open source these days. So funny to see Twitter go wild saying "a 50 person team just beat Anthropic" blah blah.

> Cursor Composer 1 was Qwen and this is Kimi. IDE is based on VSCode. The entire company is build on packaging open source and reselling it. The question is, where's the outrage? Why are there no headlines "USA steals Chinese tech?" "All USA can do is make a cheap copy of Chinese SOTA models". > So funny to see Twitter go wild saying "a 50 person team just beat Anthropic" blah blah. Well, if it's an American company…

I mean, I (and a ton of others) were pretty outspoken about ollama being a pack of grifters. The thing they are good at is marketing though, so it drowns out other projects in the area.

Re: Cursor Composer 2 is just Kimi K2.5 with RL

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Post by 827a »

deaux wrote: post #13

Looks like two Moonshot employees confirmed that it's not licensed before Moonshot made the decision to get out of the debate and delete their posts [0][1]. [0] https://chainthink.cn/zh-CN/news/113784276696010804 - may have originally been https://x.com/apples_jimmy/status/2034920082602864990 [1] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HD2Ky9jW4AAAe0Y?format=jpg&name=...

Another one, I believe this one was also deleted: https://x.com/HarveenChadha/status/2034933979720425611/photo...

Re: Cursor Composer 2 is just Kimi K2.5 with RL

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Post by josho »

pbowyer wrote: post #36
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> packaging open source and reselling it. It's a bit more than that. They have plenty of data to inform any finetunes they make. I don't know how much of a moat it will turn out to be in practice, but it's something. There's a reason every big provider made their own coding harness.

Can anyone enlighten me how having a coding harness when for most customers you say "we won't train on your code" helps you do RL? What's the data that they rely on? Is it the prompts and their responses?

The meta data is useful.

Eg, When a prompt had a bad result and was edited, or had lots of back and forth to correct tool usage that information can be distilled and used to improve models.

And now imagine if you are focused on this for weeks you can likely come up with other ideas to leverage the metadata to improve model performance.

Re: Cursor Composer 2 is just Kimi K2.5 with RL

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Post by lubujackson »

bearjaws wrote: post #81
dmix wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cursor’s integration is much deeper than just plugging an LLM into VSCode That said I have a feeling both VSCode and Claude code will catch up to their integration. But neither comes close yet (I say that as someone who mainly uses Claude Code).

As a command line junkie, what is the main thing Claude Code needs to catch up with cursor? I haven't dove into using a LLM in my editor, so I am less familiar with workflows there.

I use both pretty heavily. Cursor has an "Ask" mode that is useful when I don't want it to touch files or ask a non-sequitur. Claude may have an easy way to do this, but I haven't seeked it.

Cursor also has an interesting Debug mode that actively adds specific debug logging logic to your code, runs through several hypotheses in a loop to narrow down the cause, then cleans up the logging. It can be super useful.

Finally, when making peecise changes I can select a function, hit cmd-L and add certain ljnes of code to the context. Hard to do that in Claude. Cursor tends to be much faster for quicker, more precise work in general, and rarely goes "searching through the codebase" for things.

Most importantly, I'm cheap. a If I leave Cursor on Auto I can use it full time, 8 hours a day, and never go past the $20 monthly charge. Yes, it is probably just using free models but they are quite decent now, quick and great for inline work.

Re: Cursor Composer 2 is just Kimi K2.5 with RL

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Post by miroljub »

chzblck wrote: post #79
miroljub wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cursor Composer 1 was Qwen and this is Kimi. IDE is based on VSCode. The entire company is build on packaging open source and reselling it. The question is, where's the outrage? Why are there no headlines "USA steals Chinese tech?" "All USA can do is make a cheap copy of Chinese SOTA models". > So funny to see Twitter go wild saying "a 50 person team just beat Anthropic" blah blah. Well, if it's an American company…

because its open source.

A license doesn't matter if the perpetrator doesn't comply with it.

Re: Cursor Composer 2 is just Kimi K2.5 with RL

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Post by 827a »

Sammi wrote: post #4
jstanley wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a paying customer, I don't care where the model comes from, I only care how good it is.

Sure, and also at what price point. But can I rely on Cursor to be able to keep delivering, when they aren't the one's doing the work themselves?

Can you ensure that Notion is able to keep delivering given they don't develop their own models? Lovable? OpenCode? Should we be worried that Discord might disappear because they don't run their own data centers? Personally, I'm very concerned that one day Google might just have to close up shop, because while they do design their own chips, they don't fabricate them in-house; and don't get me started on TSMC and their critical dependency on ASML, they might as well just lock the doors.

Re: Cursor Composer 2 is just Kimi K2.5 with RL

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Post by PUSH_AX »

mohsen1 wrote: post #22

Cursor Composer 1 was Qwen and this is Kimi. IDE is based on VSCode. The entire company is build on packaging open source and reselling it. Ollama is also doing this. There is so much money to be made repackaging open source these days. So funny to see Twitter go wild saying "a 50 person team just beat Anthropic" blah blah.

> There is so much money to be made repackaging open source these days

These days? Almost every tech offering in existence is 1000+ OSS dependencies gaffer taped together with a sprinkling of business logic.

Cursor isn't a shocking bit of software to pay for, its investment however...

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