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Mozilla to launch free built-in VPN in upcoming Firefox 149
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Re: Mozilla to launch free built-in VPN in upcoming Firefox 149
#82That's useful, or? Does that work in all countries?
Re: Mozilla to launch free built-in VPN in upcoming Firefox 149
#83As a Firefox user: if I want a VPN I'll use an actual VPN. Focus on making a great browser, and not all this distraction. Also, "free": "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold"
Can we go back to making all this garbage, I don’t know, a browser extension or something?
All of this crap that everyone keeps pulling into their browsers needs to be ripped back out and made a plugin or an extension. Stop shoving it in the core damn browser. I didn’t need the waste of space and I’m never going to touch it.
Re: Mozilla to launch free built-in VPN in upcoming Firefox 149
#84As a Firefox user: if I want a VPN I'll use an actual VPN. Focus on making a great browser, and not all this distraction. Also, "free": "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold"
> "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold" This is such a un-nuanced take. In this case Firefox's route-to-market is the product. It's a distribution channel where some people who receive the free version will upgrade. Free tiers for products where some will pay to upgrade seems like a reasonable compromise, but it does depend on how the deal is structured. If Mullvad pays Firefox for the free use…
> This is such a un-nuanced take.
It's still correct though. In this context Mozilla uses the firefox-users as their test and demo base. At the end is commercial benefit.
And I think the core criticism still applies. Mozilla gave up on the browser years ago, let's be honest. It may be interesting from a historic point of view to find out how, when and why, but meanwhile the rest of the world has moved on already, so ...
Re: Mozilla to launch free built-in VPN in upcoming Firefox 149
#85As a Firefox user: if I want a VPN I'll use an actual VPN. Focus on making a great browser, and not all this distraction. Also, "free": "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold"
Also, "free": "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold" HN is "free" too. :)
that isn't the gotcha you think it is.
Y combinator absolutely profits from encouraging group think and positive attitudes about things they're involved in.
How else would you get a large part of the tech world to somehow believe that suckling on the teat of Venture capital until that elusive "exit" is the holy grail of business models?
Re: Mozilla to launch free built-in VPN in upcoming Firefox 149
#86There's an oft repeated claim about "Modern Browsers are some of the most complex projects"
Yeah no shit, when you have browser vendors shipping features that have no place in browser, it's hardly surprising.
Why does a browser need screen sharing built in? Why does it need a vpn client?
You know there's a fucking operating system running under the browser that can run those things without worrying about how they impact on a fucking browser, right?
Re: Mozilla to launch free built-in VPN in upcoming Firefox 149
#87There's an oft repeated claim about "Modern Browsers are some of the most complex projects" Yeah no shit, when you have browser vendors shipping features that have no place in browser, it's hardly surprising. Why does a browser need screen sharing built in? Why does it need a vpn client? You know there's a fucking operating system running under the browser that can run those things without worrying about how they imp…
> Why does it need a vpn client?
Do think your web browser also should not have SOCKS and HTTP Proxy support? What about DNS-over-HTTPS?
Re: Mozilla to launch free built-in VPN in upcoming Firefox 149
#88There's an oft repeated claim about "Modern Browsers are some of the most complex projects" Yeah no shit, when you have browser vendors shipping features that have no place in browser, it's hardly surprising. Why does a browser need screen sharing built in? Why does it need a vpn client? You know there's a fucking operating system running under the browser that can run those things without worrying about how they imp…
> Why does a browser need screen sharing built in?
Is that maybe used for video calls?
Re: Mozilla to launch free built-in VPN in upcoming Firefox 149
#89As a Firefox user: if I want a VPN I'll use an actual VPN. Focus on making a great browser, and not all this distraction. Also, "free": "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold"
Can we go back to making all this garbage, I don’t know, a browser extension or something? All of this crap that everyone keeps pulling into their browsers needs to be ripped back out and made a plugin or an extension. Stop shoving it in the core damn browser. I didn’t need the waste of space and I’m never going to touch it.
Why would a VPN be a good browser extension?
Re: Mozilla to launch free built-in VPN in upcoming Firefox 149
#90As a Firefox user: if I want a VPN I'll use an actual VPN. Focus on making a great browser, and not all this distraction. Also, "free": "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold"
> "If you're not paying for it, you're the product being sold" This is such a un-nuanced take. In this case Firefox's route-to-market is the product. It's a distribution channel where some people who receive the free version will upgrade. Free tiers for products where some will pay to upgrade seems like a reasonable compromise, but it does depend on how the deal is structured. If Mullvad pays Firefox for the free use…
>This is such a un-nuanced take.
I agree in principle, but we interact with hundreds of companies per day. Which ones are honest and which ones are taking advantage of us? I really don't have the cycles to run it all down, and keep up with it over time. Perhaps Firefox VPN will be totally private initially and then violate privacy 2 years in? Would I ever know? Maybe? I need to err on the side of caution for a lot of these decisions because so many companies are bad actors. I'm sure I don't always err correctly, but I don't have better options.