Luckily debt will be solved by the power of AGI, right? Just one more data centre! One more GPU! It can nearly write a basic three tier application with only 10 critical security vulnerabilities all by itself! Definitely think we’re in for a rough year financial prospects wise, and doesn’t even feel like we recovered from the 2008 crash properly.
We didn't recover from the 2008 crash properly because we didn't introduce consequences for those who created it.
US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says
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Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a tax on the poor
It would cause inflation, isn’t that sort of a tax on people who have more wealth than income? (Which includes people like retirees, so, I’m not saying this is a universally good thing).
Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Headline makes it sound like retail credit I’m coming at this loaded with jargon, so excuse my blind spot, but why would the term private credit bring to mind anything to do with retail specifically? (The term private credit in American—and, I believe, European—finance refers to “debt financing provided by non-bank lenders directly to companies or projects through privately negotiated agreements” [1].) [1] https://…
>, by why would the term private credit bring to mind anything to do with retail specifically? If a layman is unfamiliar that "private credit" is about business debts, and therefore only has intuition via previous exposure to "private X" to guess what it might mean, it's not unreasonable to assume it's about consumer loans. "private insurance" can be about retail consumer purchased health insurance outside of employe…
Makes sense. Thanks. Private here is as in private versus public companies.
Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is all these over-leveraged sectors will drag everybody else. And guess who will be bailed out? Heads they win, tails everybody but them loses.
Assets don't disappear they get bidded.
The game that all the AI companies are playing is to be the last dog standing at all costs, because that kind of dominance is a money printer.
Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says
#85Misleading title* > The default rate among U.S. corporate borrowers of private credit rose to a record 9.2% in 2025 Emphasis added. Headline makes it sound like retail credit, not corporate specifically. *Edit: Not misleading, just an unfamiliar term/usage from my perspective. I'm not a finance guy so didn't know the difference and assumed others wouldn't either. Mea culpa .
That's exactly where my mind went as soon as I read the title. HN rules say to "use the original title, unless it is misleading". I think the original title meets the misleading bar but I can't speak for other readers.
Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says
#86Misleading title* > The default rate among U.S. corporate borrowers of private credit rose to a record 9.2% in 2025 Emphasis added. Headline makes it sound like retail credit, not corporate specifically. *Edit: Not misleading, just an unfamiliar term/usage from my perspective. I'm not a finance guy so didn't know the difference and assumed others wouldn't either. Mea culpa .
I'm not saying they are right. But it's like if you posted an article called "Python Is Eating the World" on a non-tech side and people got mad because they thought the article was about a wildlife emergency. Fair for them to be confused, but maybe not fair to accuse the title of being misleading (at least not intentionally).
Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it was by the layers upon layers of interconnected unregulated derivatives valued at a few orders of magnitude above the underlying subprime mortgages given to anyone with a pulse It was interconnected derivatives and structured products linked to banks that caused a liquidity crisis in the former to cause a crisis of confidence in the latter. Meanwhile: "In the letter, Morgan Stanley said the fund wasn’t designed…
> liquidity crisis in the former to cause a crisis of confidence in the latter Wait what? Your thesis is the GFC was caused by a liquidity crunch/bank run? Isn't that... not true? Isn't the proximal to distal chain of events government encouraged subprime loans -> inaacurately valued MBS -> exponential, unregulated derivative instruments -> leveraged contagion. What does market confidence have to do with any of that?
It's absolutely proximally true and it's not just my thesis. From Wikipedia: "The first phase of the crisis was the subprime mortgage crisis, which began in early 2007, as mortgage-backed securities (MBS) tied to U.S. real estate, and a vast web of derivatives linked to those MBS, collapsed in value. A liquidity crisis spread to global institutions by mid-2007 and climaxed with the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers in September 2008, which triggered a stock market crash and bank runs in several countries" [1].
> government encouraged subprime loans -> inaacurately valued MBS -> exponential, unregulated derivative instruments -> leveraged contagion
The subprime crisis shouldn't have been bigger than the S&L crisis [2]. What turned it into a financial crisis was the credit crunch that followed. That crunch was caused by folks running on banks that had sponsored these products.
On "inaccurately valued MBS," note that the paper marked AAA mostly paid out like a AAA security. It would be like if you were perfectly good for your word and I lent you money, but then I wanted to sell on that debt to a third party who didn't trust you at a 50% discount. What does "properly valued" mean in that context? It's ambiguous in a dangerous way. (In this analogy, you wind up paying back the debt at face value. But years later, albeit on schedule.)
Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says
#88What the hell ?! Nearly 10% ?! How can it be?! World wide, it seems to be around 4% since 2004. Page 22 (French but it's just numbers, you can read it). https://www.eib.org/files/publications/thematic/gems_default... >
And it is especially so when money given is not their own, but instead they get to take cut. Which these funds can do. They might even just take promises that you will pay in future and even allow adding the interest on top of loan amount. Numbers look good, bonuses look good.
Fundamentally this can only last so long and now is the time it starts to blow up.
Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
> rich still have to pay capital gains on inflation “Pay” is doing a lot of work there. My house is half equity half debt. The debt gets to be paid off with inflated dollars. And I pay no capital gains on the appreciation. I can , however, tap it for liquidity if I need it.
Rich people don't tend to have a sizeable portion of their worth tied up in their primary residence (and even then, IIRC there is a cap on capital gains exception), otherwise property tax would turn into a wealth tax for them which obviously they want to avoid. Non-primary residences still require paying capital gains. The inflated value you paid off with debt for a non-primary residence still gets captured as capita…
Re: US private credit defaults hit record 9.2% in 2025, Fitch says
#90I'm not surprised. Weren't we getting signals like 3 or 4 months ago that used car repossessions were ticking up? That's a breaking point for folks. The economic boulder keeps rolling and I'm not wearing any shoes. Spiking the price of oil is definitely going to help. This too shall pass?