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^_& Good detective.
And without that comment, we wouldn't have talked this much. LLM is the friend.
U+237C ⍼ Is Azimuth
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#83The Fonts in Use page from Berthold is fascinating.
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That’s unavoidable given the goal: Unicode provides a unique number for every character, no matter what the platform, no matter what the program, no matter what the language. https://www.unicode.org/standard/WhatIsUnicode.html
What does "every character" mean? Did it really need to include emojis, for example? Domino tiles? Alchemical symbols? A much smaller number of characters would have been sufficient for all but a tiny number of cases.
> What does "every character" mean? Did it really need to include emojis, for example?
You may be too young to remember, but there was a time when a lot of software had their own way to encode emoji if they supported them. This sucked for interoperability - especially when using common protocols like SMS.
Some of these implementations were essentially find/replace and would turn various strings of characters commonly occurring in code into emoji. Someone reading your mail containing code on their portable device or other weird client would see parts of that code replaced by emoji. Maybe you had to format your code a certain way, inserting spaces tactically, to avoid accidentally ending up with an emoji. I'm glad we put that behind us for the most part.
Living in a world where you can just copy-paste some text containing emoji (or not) from one software into another is honestly great. Same for all these other symbols that may be embedded into text.
If a software has to come up with their own text-embeddable encodings to represent symbols (to allow for copy-paste or sharing) things often end up less than optimal.
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Okay, but what does any of that have to do with knowing that the glyph at U+237C originated as a symbol for azimuth?
Because that symbol was used as a notation symbol in those star charts and azimutal maps? The article quotes the Didot system, specifically, which focused on printing travel maps and is known not only in the French speaking world for its timely accuracy [1] as it was also using that very same map system. Maybe read the article next time? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didot_family [2] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki…
> The article quotes the Didot system
Yeah but did any of the four previous articles say anything about it?
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I'm sorry, but I don't understand your comment at all. The linked article does not refer to Didot, nor does the Wikipedia page for the glyph in question. Neither the wikipedia page for the Didot family, nor for Histoire générale des voyages shows the Angzarr symbol, I've carefully checked on all the scans on these pages. In fact, any occurrence of the symbol would pre-date the current earliest known example (1963) by…
Check the photos in the article, specifically this one [1] "Haussystem Didot", the title of the catalog, refers to a letter setting by the printing agency Didot, which is the one I linked on wikipedia. The Gallica scans are linked in the wikipedia article. Each of those chapters has hundreds of pages. I highly doubt that you eye scanned thousands of pages in French handwritten and mixed typesetted ... within less tha…
> The Gallica scans are linked in the wikipedia article. Each of those chapters has hundreds of pages.
I went through a bit of it and saw no instance of the symbol. If it's in there, would you mind saying which chapter and which page? Or some hint about what context people could find it in? The maps I saw (maps were pretty easy to find, too, since most of the page numbers for them are "NP") didn't seem to use this symbol.
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> how many symbols exist that almost no one encounters in normal software. Unicode's entire point being to make "normal software" handle those symbols ;)
IMO the biggest omission in Unicode are game controller button and keyboard emojis, as very frequently arise in game tutorials.
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Check the photos in the article, specifically this one [1] "Haussystem Didot", the title of the catalog, refers to a letter setting by the printing agency Didot, which is the one I linked on wikipedia. The Gallica scans are linked in the wikipedia article. Each of those chapters has hundreds of pages. I highly doubt that you eye scanned thousands of pages in French handwritten and mixed typesetted ... within less tha…
Neither did I read all these pages nor did I pretend to. > Neither the wikipedia page for the Didot family, nor for Histoire générale des voyages shows the Angzarr symbol, I've carefully checked on all the scans on these pages. You have linked these two Wikipedia pages[1][2], implying that they confirm your extraordinary claims of how obvious and well-known this symbol is. I could in fact check within a single day th…
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> how many symbols exist that almost no one encounters in normal software. Unicode's entire point being to make "normal software" handle those symbols ;)
IMO the biggest omission in Unicode are game controller button and keyboard emojis, as very frequently arise in game tutorials.
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