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Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by whycombigator »

lwansbrough wrote: post #75
whycombigator wrote: post #67

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I'm not sure what Iran having nukes does other than change the power dynamics in the Middle East to one where Israel can't bomb civilians with such impunity... North Korea and Pakistan has nukes.

I think most people in the middle east will tell you that Iran acquiring nuclear weapons is bad. As I'm sure you're aware, they are a major supporter of terrorist organizations.

I'm aware that the present is informed by the past. 1953, like 1979, being a year in the past.

Discussing what terrorism is, in this context, is rather complicated. Especially speaking as a Brit, and knowing rather a lot of other dates, such as 1917.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by lwansbrough »

whycombigator wrote: post #76
lwansbrough wrote: post #51

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Well I won't deny that. Nevertheless, countries who "play ball" seem to have it pretty good. Awfully high cost to pay to stick it to the man in charge.

Do what I say and I won't punch you, maybe.

There is no alternative. Just be thankful it's not the Soviet Union.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by lwansbrough »

whycombigator wrote: post #81
lwansbrough wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people in the middle east will tell you that Iran acquiring nuclear weapons is bad. As I'm sure you're aware, they are a major supporter of terrorist organizations.

I'm aware that the present is informed by the past. 1953, like 1979, being a year in the past. Discussing what terrorism is, in this context, is rather complicated. Especially speaking as a Brit, and knowing rather a lot of other dates, such as 1917.

It shouldn't be that complicated to acknowledge that Iran's proxies are about as cut and dry terrorists as they come.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by kakacik »

tgma wrote: post #73
kakacik wrote: post #71

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Current campaigns will kill way more iranians. Plus regime didn't bomb 200 girls to pieces in their school, did it. Thats extremely hard sell, with cherry on top when you have a literal video of tomahawks hitting that area during that time and trump claiming it was iranians who bombed it... just spits and insults in the face

> Current campaigns will kill way more iranians. Your math is not mathing. 30-40k in 2 days unarmed civilians vs I dunno 6k almost all military in a week? If you look at the stats of executions etc you'll see civilian casualties in Iran go DOWN while being bombed. > regime didn't bomb 200 girls to pieces in their school, did it. Yes, actually they did. It was their own missile. Just like the Ukrainian plane they shot…

I said will, please read comments more thoroughly before replying. Everybody agrees this war will drag for some time.

Care to backup those wild claims with any facts? The video of tomahawk I talk about is circulating all over internet, so its pretty uphill battle to discredit it when clearly tomahawks are landing

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

#86

Post by whycombigator »

lwansbrough wrote: post #83
whycombigator wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm aware that the present is informed by the past. 1953, like 1979, being a year in the past. Discussing what terrorism is, in this context, is rather complicated. Especially speaking as a Brit, and knowing rather a lot of other dates, such as 1917.

It shouldn't be that complicated to acknowledge that Iran's proxies are about as cut and dry terrorists as they come.

It's surprising how many things that you would think are "cut and dried" are apparently in fact not "cut and dried", although granted it's much easier to identify instances that stray to one side of a boundary rather than another.

For example, the idea that bombing civilians is a war.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by Hikikomori »

lwansbrough wrote: post #69
kuerbel wrote: post #44

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It was trump who killed off the original agreement. The IAEA was content with the way the inspections went, Trump just once again talked out of his ass.

As far as I know, most countries don't require such an agreement because they don't develop nuclear weapons. Are we forgetting that Iran has autonomy?

Most counties have signed non proliferation agreements.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by orwin »

tgma wrote: post #39
watwut wrote: post #33

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I am afraid that this will bring them closer together. That the people who would welcome outside world to do a magical thing that reforms Iran wont like the practical thing the world actually did. By afraid I am not saying it will happen, it is not a prediction. I think that it is a risk.

After they killed 40k+ in Jan? Perhaps.

Every weeks that number increases.

Two weeks ago it was 30k, a week ago it was 35k, now it's 40k+, but OSINT sources keep the number around 15k (including 1.3 k from the Iranian government own forces) and don't move it up. I'm pretty sure the real number is higher than the one OSINT resources can give, considering the uprising and repression also happened in small, less connected cities, but the constant increase is honestly very off-putting, and the more it happens, the more it feels like manufacturing consent.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by lwansbrough »

kakacik wrote: post #80
lwansbrough wrote: post #64

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Iran has zero leverage. Any leverage given is an olive branch. Obama era diplomacy was the right path, Trump is a moron. But the bigger issue here is Iran's free-will pursuit of nuclear weapons. It is a choice they're making. They choose to pursue nuclear weapons, forcing the US to either take a diplomatic path to stop them, or intervene. They don't have to build nuclear weapons! They're just doing that shit.

Well now they have to, given that a single nuke ownership (and its never a single one, is it) would prevent any such actions. I don't think anybody sane at this point thinks any sort of regime change is going to happen in this century. The bigger problem is - current war won't prevent them from obtaining it. It may delay the date, but also will make them work smarter, hide things better and give them much more resolv…

We can agree that starting a war with Iran is sort of the magnum opus of the worst administration in American history.

But I do feel obligated to interrogate the idea that the US is responsible for this escalation. Iran is seeking to expand its power and influence in the region, and employs violent means upon people - even its own people - to achieve these goals. The regime is, fundamentally, amoral.

The US gets to decide if it wants to put a stop to that. But left alone, the world gets more dangerous the stronger the Iranian regime becomes. The same cannot be said about the United States. The period of history belonging to the unipolar US liberal order was probably the most prosperous and peaceful time in history.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by tgma »

kakacik wrote: post #84
tgma wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Current campaigns will kill way more iranians. Your math is not mathing. 30-40k in 2 days unarmed civilians vs I dunno 6k almost all military in a week? If you look at the stats of executions etc you'll see civilian casualties in Iran go DOWN while being bombed. > regime didn't bomb 200 girls to pieces in their school, did it. Yes, actually they did. It was their own missile. Just like the Ukrainian plane they shot…

I said will , please read comments more thoroughly before replying. Everybody agrees this war will drag for some time. Care to backup those wild claims with any facts? The video of tomahawk I talk about is circulating all over internet, so its pretty uphill battle to discredit it when clearly tomahawks are landing

Trump himself confirmed this on Air Force One earlier today. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/03/07/trump-...

Nothing about this is such a wild claim if you are familiar with their past behavior.

There were Persian language sources inside Iran that immediately after the incident attributed it to IRGC missile misfire, before some outlets started using that as propaganda material (which by the way played out perfectly.)

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