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Post by phantomathkg »

This won't help in countries like Singapore.

When you are a jobseeker, yes, you don't want to apply for job post that is destined for internal transfer.

When you are someone who is in the process of internal transfer, you want this JD has many applicants to prove to the government that this roles has applicants but they are not as strong as the one being transferred.

When you are the hiring manager, you want the process to be finished quickly, whether it is the internal transfer you like, or hiring externally.

This so called verified board stop the transfer from happening.

If you are the outside applicants, great. If you are the one being internal transfer, you want to burn this board.

For record, I have been both side of the picture. Transferred to Singapore and now looking for job, and also as a hiring manager. So I know the pain from all angle.

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Post by brudgers »

BelVisgarra wrote: post #68
brudgers wrote: post #10

To a large degree, the problem with job boards is job boards are a two sided market for lemons On the one hand, applicants are applicant who cannot find a job through people they know and the companies are companies who cannot find candidates through people they know Good jobs and good employees come through relationships and you cannot automate relationships. Relationships are hard. Good luck.

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The idea of verification is premised on a lemon market experienced by candidates.

Dealing with a third party trying to verify a listing would be experiencing the lemon market for employers.

Don’t get me wrong, lemon markets are often the best market most people can access. It’s just that job boards are lemon markets intrinsically and no set of features changes that.

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Post by BelVisgarra »

jmye wrote: post #69
1123581321 wrote: post #9

Probably not, as you’d essentially be performing the function of a recruiter, but not providing the ability for applicants to skip the initial steps of the hiring process by talking to you. Recruiters already list their open jobs in board-like software.

Yeah, my first thought was, "Isn't this what recruiters are supposed to be providing?" And like, sure, there are some terrible ones. But I've worked some incredible groups, too.

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Post by mierz00 »

aeonfox wrote: post #29
pluc wrote: post #25

Verified how? The poster has an account? No The poster has confirmed an email address? No The poster has a confirmed email address that is associable to the business? Maybe The poster has a confirmed email address that is associable to the business and their name is verifiable as HR/Hiring Manager/Someone in a legitimate position to post this offer? Sure

Has a registered business that's been around longer than 6 months. Has a confirmed business phone number, called by a human that verifies another human is on the other end. Has a confirmed business address (mail them the confirmation code). Has a website that's been around longer then 6 months. Has a Google Maps location that's been around longer than 6 months.

Aren’t people researching the companies they are applying for?

Also, I don’t think I have ever applied to a fake job.

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Post by muzani »

idontwantthis wrote: post #76
danpalmer wrote: post #66

Ask yourself why this isn't the way already. Obviously everyone would rather only see and apply to verified listings, so why don't job boards work like that? Maybe job advertisers don't want to verify, maybe it's too much hassle, maybe it costs so much to verify that you need to charge too much for listings, maybe verified listings don't scale. It's all fine to ask what-ifs like this, but since this is obviously the…

I think a big reason is that, just like dating apps, they don’t want you to get a job. They want you to stay on the site and load ads/pay a subscription.

Recruiters are the opposite; they're often incentivized to get you the job. But in the case of recruiter bonuses, the hirer is biased to hiring a slightly worse applicant that doesn't cost the recruiter fee.

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Post by BelVisgarra »

1123581321 wrote: post #9

Probably not, as you’d essentially be performing the function of a recruiter, but not providing the ability for applicants to skip the initial steps of the hiring process by talking to you. Recruiters already list their open jobs in board-like software.

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Post by BelVisgarra »

fortran77 wrote: post #35
spy888 wrote: post #28

You have to think through the applicant issue. As a hiring manager every time I post a job i get hundreds of applicants and most are not viable for different reasons. A verified listing does nothing to help me deal with the influx of low quality and fake applicants.

There's two sides to this. Companies need to be able to make sure they're able to locate (and not miss) viable candidates. But job-seekers need to know there's a legitimate company and an actual job. There are many job scams out there, especially for entry level, low-skill jobs. In my early days, I once went through three interviews for a small "start up." On the third round, the founder admitted he couldn't pay me i…

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Post by tjpnz »

maxaw wrote: post #37
spy888 wrote: post #28

You have to think through the applicant issue. As a hiring manager every time I post a job i get hundreds of applicants and most are not viable for different reasons. A verified listing does nothing to help me deal with the influx of low quality and fake applicants.

Curious - are there not good tools for filtering through applications? there must be a lot of llm related offerings

Throw half of them in the bin. You can't afford to hire unlucky people.

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Post by BelVisgarra »

maxaw wrote: post #37
spy888 wrote: post #28

You have to think through the applicant issue. As a hiring manager every time I post a job i get hundreds of applicants and most are not viable for different reasons. A verified listing does nothing to help me deal with the influx of low quality and fake applicants.

Curious - are there not good tools for filtering through applications? there must be a lot of llm related offerings

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Post by BelVisgarra »

ZDisket wrote: post #48
spy888 wrote: post #28

You have to think through the applicant issue. As a hiring manager every time I post a job i get hundreds of applicants and most are not viable for different reasons. A verified listing does nothing to help me deal with the influx of low quality and fake applicants.

Upwork has candidates buy "connects" with real money that are spent when applying to jobs. Ultimately it seems some form of payment is a proven gate.

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