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US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

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Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

#81
Oh the "pledges" - tell me again how the Billionaire's Giving Pledge - the ultimate "pinky promise" of the 1% - is going?

Launched in 2010 by Bill Gates, Melinda French Gates, and Warren Buffett, it was sold as a historic shift in philanthropy. Fast forward to 2026, and the data suggests it’s been more of a "Wealth Preservation Society" than a massive wealth redistribution event.

This will be just as trustworthy. We need laws - not merely rhetoric pledges !

Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

#83
post #79
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only realistic way to "bear the cost" of CO2 emissions is paying for getting atmospheric carbon back into the ground. Right now that seems difficult to do at scale. The best way I know is making charcoal and burying it. Offsetting 1kWh needs on the order of 200g of wood turned into charcoal and buried.

Are you suggesting we cut down trees and bury them to save the planet? For me, this idea marks the departure from reason and into crazytown. When our civilisation is excavated in 500 years, they are going to say we were as crazy as all of the others.

I don't think it's necessarily unreasonable. As I understand it, the lumber industry has optimized the ability to grow massive amounts of fast growing pine as quickly as possible. So this isn't suggesting that we start clearcutting forests, it's suggesting that we start growing massive amounts of lumber with the explicit purpose of converting it to charcoal and burrying it.

Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

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post #79
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only realistic way to "bear the cost" of CO2 emissions is paying for getting atmospheric carbon back into the ground. Right now that seems difficult to do at scale. The best way I know is making charcoal and burying it. Offsetting 1kWh needs on the order of 200g of wood turned into charcoal and buried.

Are you suggesting we cut down trees and bury them to save the planet? For me, this idea marks the departure from reason and into crazytown. When our civilisation is excavated in 500 years, they are going to say we were as crazy as all of the others.

I suggest it’s easier to leave to carbon in the ground in the first place. Carbon capture promises are unrealistic. But if you want to go with charcoal it’s probably best to get wood from coppicing.

Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only realistic way to "bear the cost" of CO2 emissions is paying for getting atmospheric carbon back into the ground. Right now that seems difficult to do at scale. The best way I know is making charcoal and burying it. Offsetting 1kWh needs on the order of 200g of wood turned into charcoal and buried.

Making charcoal releases CO2 though? How does that help with carbon capture?

Charcoal is like 80% carbon and the tree extracted it from the atmosphere.

Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

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oh well if they pledge it's okay then!

They’re pledging to do what they were doing anyway. No one with any sense is building large data centers and assuming the grid will supply the energy.

Isn't that contradicted by the fact that data centers are increasing electric prices in the areas they are built? It seems to me that either the data centers are drawing power from the grid or the utilities are gouging people. Either one should be stopped.

Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

#87
post #73

oh well if they pledge it's okay then!

They’re pledging to do what they were doing anyway. No one with any sense is building large data centers and assuming the grid will supply the energy.

move to northern virginia - the capital of data centers - and see what happens to your energy bills…

Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

#88
> The agreement is meant to help mitigate concerns that big tech’s datacenters are driving up US electricity costs for homes and small businesses

Exactly opposite will happen. Reason is, when Big Tech is paying huge amounts of money to contractors to build those power generation facilities and service companies to service it, they will abandon servicing other facilities (remember how Micron dropped consumer RAMs last year because of enterprise demand) or require higher pay from everyone else

Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

#89
post #76

We should be focusing on how to build large turbines and transformers more quickly. A lot of transmission projects are blocked on equipment. There are warehouses full of photovoltaics that we cant use because of other industrial bottlenecks. We can build an entire PV plant before we can obtain a single custom transformer for a substation.

Fear not citizen! Ya boi Elon got you covered with the new Megablock.

Ta da! It's 3 Megapaks wired together with a transformer. Now that's innovation.

See? Without billionaires, who would save us from billionaires?

Tesla’s Megablock: Breaking the Transformer Bottleneck https://www.rebellionaire.com/post/tesla-megablock-transform...

Re: US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

#90

This is USA so we all know that those techs companies won't pay a cent back at the end, but the population will.

The tech companies don't really have any issue paying for the capacity, this is a negligible cost compared to the compute capital, they just want streamlined regulatory approvals to bring the plants online.

> The tech companies don't really have any issue paying

It reduces profit.

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