If I boycott a company, am I legally responsible for any lost profit that happens as a result?
No, but if you get your friends to torch their warehouse you are
Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
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Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#82For context, a statement from the legal experts who monitored the trial. > It is our collective assessment that the jury verdict against Greenpeace in North Dakota reflects a deeply flawed trial with multiple due process violations that denied Greenpeace the ability to present anything close to a full defense. https://www.trialmonitors.org/statement-of-independent-trial...
As an outsider, why is this a credible institution over the jury and judge?
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's already too late. We passed the point of no return. There was a blip where every outlet was saying that the point of no return was like 6 months away than nothing.. We shot right past it.
Strange take. What does that mean? Give up because we can’t do anything - “it’s already too late”? So burn all the oil because YOLO? Or maybe those people drawing hard lines in the sand were exaggerating to drive urgency and get attention? Sometimes people whose stated goals you agree with say and do things which are wrong.
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Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#84If you are going to break the law under capitalism, you must do it sustainably. Facebook, Apple, et al have shown that the latency of judicial pipeline usually means a billion dollar in fines comes after several billion in profits. You profit from the lag between the crime and the consequence. I don't think social justice has that same profit pipeline, but I am not sure. There is an asymmetry in the type of evil our…
No the way to do it is this:
Break the law, make $1B of illegal money, then get dragged to court and pay a $200M fine - while you keep most of the profit and your market position you illegally gained.
Bonus: Shield all managers from personal accountability, best in a way that they got their bonus and salary and moved on a long time ago before the verdict hits.
Best: Not get to court, but make an $100M outside court settlement.
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
The claims were for defamation and incitement: > A Morton County jury on Wednesday ordered Greenpeace to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to the developer of the Dakota Access Pipeline, finding that the environmental group incited illegal behavior by anti-pipeline protesters and defamed the company. > The nine-person jury delivered a verdict in favor of Energy Transfer on most counts, awarding more than $660 milli…
Rough jury pool. 75.36% for Trump in the latest election, and one presumes a lot of energy sector employment.
Did you feel that the jury in New York City (76% voted for Biden in 2020) that convicted Trump of falsifying business records similarly corrupt?
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#86It would be very easy for an energy company to make hundreds of thousands of donations through "private supporters" to Greenpeace so as to cause problems for their competitors without liability, including defamation, and violent protests. They could be profiting by encouraging angry kids to go ruin their lives, and there would be no consequences for the executives behind it all. In fact, if this were actually happeni…
That's a hell of a cynnical conspiracy but then again, people like Jill Stein exist.
This is funny. I didn't know who Jill Stein is, so I asked an LLM about how she is relevant. Instead of explaining how she might be involved in evil conspiracies, it thinks that Jill Stein is relevant because, "like a charged college kid," she was apparently at this Greenpeace protest! Hilarious.
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#87If you are going to break the law under capitalism, you must do it sustainably. Facebook, Apple, et al have shown that the latency of judicial pipeline usually means a billion dollar in fines comes after several billion in profits. You profit from the lag between the crime and the consequence. I don't think social justice has that same profit pipeline, but I am not sure. There is an asymmetry in the type of evil our…
That's not true, they have an extremely robust pipeline in the form of donations that stream in as long as they publicly Do Something.
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#88For context, a statement from the legal experts who monitored the trial. > It is our collective assessment that the jury verdict against Greenpeace in North Dakota reflects a deeply flawed trial with multiple due process violations that denied Greenpeace the ability to present anything close to a full defense. https://www.trialmonitors.org/statement-of-independent-trial...
As an outsider, why is this a credible institution over the jury and judge?
I can't speak to the institution but the only public statements on their website relate to this particular trial. It could be this is the first ever trial they have monitored in this way; it might also be a group that will only ever monitor this one trial.
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#89For context, a statement from the legal experts who monitored the trial. > It is our collective assessment that the jury verdict against Greenpeace in North Dakota reflects a deeply flawed trial with multiple due process violations that denied Greenpeace the ability to present anything close to a full defense. https://www.trialmonitors.org/statement-of-independent-trial...
As an outsider, why is this a credible institution over the jury and judge?
related topic -- "Judge shopping" refers to the practice of litigants strategically filing lawsuits in court districts or divisions where they are likely to be assigned to a judge sympathetic to their cause, often exploiting structural quirks in the judiciary
Re: Judge finalizes order for Greenpeace to pay $345M in ND oil pipeline case
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Strange take. What does that mean? Give up because we can’t do anything - “it’s already too late”? So burn all the oil because YOLO? Or maybe those people drawing hard lines in the sand were exaggerating to drive urgency and get attention? Sometimes people whose stated goals you agree with say and do things which are wrong.
It’s too late. Look at the science. Also I never mentioned just give up. I just said it’s already too late. That’s reality. What you do next is your choice. But don’t put words in my mouth.
It's never too late, that's not what "the science" says it's what the clickbait vulture news bullshit you're reading is saying. The real science on the matter is that every day things get just a little bit worse, and every improvement makes things just a little bit better. There's no magic cliff, no point of no return, just one day after another.