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OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by coliveira »

Imnimo wrote: post #16

I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

Yes, what is implied in this episode is that all big companies that do AI development or provide computing for Ai are now signing for these very shady uses of their technologies.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by dataflow »

harmonic18374 wrote: post #46
vineyardmike wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. It's possible that the agreement still supports the required terms. There is more to this story behind the scenes. The government wanted to show power and control over our companies and industries. They didn’t need those terms for any specific utility, they wanted to fight “woke” business that stood up to them. Supposedly OpenAI had the same terms as Anthropic (according to SamA). Maybe they offered it cheaper a…

I prescribe literally zero truth value to what Sam says. He will say whatever he needs to get ahead. It is honestly irritating to me that you and many others here seem to implicitly assume his messages are correlated with truth, doing his social engineering work for him, as if his word should adjust your priors even slightly. I don't necessarily think he's lying, but there's so much obvious incentive for him to lie h…

> I don't necessarily think he's lying

He doesn't even need to be lying, the comment is vague and contains enough loopholes that it could be true yet meaningless. I explained some that I noticed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47190163

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by d--b »

At this stage, everything OpenAi does is to try to keep investors investing.

They’re willing to let their brand go to trash for this government contract.

Pretty much every American is standing with Anthropic on this. No one left or right wants mass surveillance and terminators. In fact, no one in the world wants this, except the US military.

But Altman seems so desperate to keep the cash coming he’s ready to do anything.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by adverbly »

corford wrote: post #43

If you're unhappy with this, an immediate way to signal it is with your wallet. In my case I've just uninstalled chatgpt from my phone, cancelled my subscription and will up my spend with anthropic.

Deleted all chats and deleted my account.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by coliveira »

jeffbee wrote: post #45
vineyardmike wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. It's possible that the agreement still supports the required terms. There is more to this story behind the scenes. The government wanted to show power and control over our companies and industries. They didn’t need those terms for any specific utility, they wanted to fight “woke” business that stood up to them. Supposedly OpenAI had the same terms as Anthropic (according to SamA). Maybe they offered it cheaper a…

It's this simple: Trump is a criminal. Larry Ellison is his pal. Sam Altman has a huge deal for cloud services from Oracle. Trump is using the DoD budget to backstop Ellison's business.

This is pretty much on the right take on it, although it's much more than that. It's very clear at this point, especially the first conclusion, but people insist in looking to the other side.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #66
jeffbee wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's this simple: Trump is a criminal. Larry Ellison is his pal. Sam Altman has a huge deal for cloud services from Oracle. Trump is using the DoD budget to backstop Ellison's business.

Interesting thesis. But regardless of the moral implications, will this improve America’s position on the global stage or further undermine it?

For better or worse, outright nationalization of military related companies is common on a global scale. I plan to do my best to ensure this is a domestic catastrophe, and I hope we'll succeed, but I don't expect other countries to care much about varying levels of regime alignment between two billionaire American defense contractors.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by MaxfordAndSons »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #66
jeffbee wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's this simple: Trump is a criminal. Larry Ellison is his pal. Sam Altman has a huge deal for cloud services from Oracle. Trump is using the DoD budget to backstop Ellison's business.

Interesting thesis. But regardless of the moral implications, will this improve America’s position on the global stage or further undermine it?

Attempting to kneecap the breakout front runner of the major American AI companies to ensure the shittier, politically compliant one wins in the short term? Gee I wonder.
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