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F-Droid Board of Directors nominations 2026

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Re: F-Droid Board of Directors nominations 2026

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Even with Google's changes, F-Droid will continue to work with Android phones that do not use Google GMS. If you care about your actually owning your device, install something else than stock OS. I would recommend GrapheneOS, since the security of some/most other alternatives is pretty bad.

GrapheneOS works only with Pixel devices, which doesn't make it much useful for the vast majority of Android users.

Sounds like a consumer problem for their own choices of vendor lock in

Re: F-Droid Board of Directors nominations 2026

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There's really nothing odd that company that runs Project Zero also builds devices that are well secured.

Qubes OS, operating system designed for security, doesn't prevent its installation on computers without VT-d. It will just warn you.

As one who has lived out of both operating systems for years, I struggle with the way you invariably make value judgments about GrapheneOS every time it comes up in a thread, based on your (justifiable) appreciation for Qubes OS. The same thing happens in reverse on the GrapheneOS forums, by the way.

Both lines of thinking are faulty, and attempting to directly extrapolate from one project to the other (in either direction) mostly only conveys a lack of understanding of both projects, even (especially?) one's favored project.

Joanna Rutkowska herself admitted that the difficult nature of trying to contain the PC hardware stack made it ultimately feel like she lost the war. Qubes OS is inherently vastly more vulnerable than GrapheneOS, in large part precisely because of their different approaches to hardware. Some of this has been mitigated by developments made since she stepped back from the project, but some of it will always remain. How to deal with this inherent conflict is not a simple matter and the two projects have taken two distinctly different approaches.

In the cases of both projects, I think they made justifiable decisions in their approaches. I use and contribute to both projects.

If you've been using Qubes OS long enough, you'll remember a time when trying to run it on anything that wasn't essentially identical to the ThinkPads used by Qubes OS devs often presented a major challenge.

GrapheneOS is a fundamentally different project in scope, and each project has a subset of users which seem unable to do anything but evaluate the other project based on the criteria set by the one they like.

"The goal of the project is not to slightly improve some aspects of insecure devices and supporting a broad set of devices would be directly counter to the values of the project. A lot of the low-level work also ends up being fairly tied to the hardware."

GrapheneOS achieves significantly more security on the hardware level than Qubes OS, in very large part specifically due to the nature of the project. It's also an infinitely simpler OS to get up and running with, on both current-gen flagship hardware and current-gen value-prop hardware available in just about any store which sells cell phones.

In addition to all that, by the nature of the respective code bases it presents a significantly smaller attack surface than a computer running Qubes OS.

Securing a single device type with excellent hardware security is simply much more viable a project than securing a broad range of devices with hardware security that is, at best, pretty terrible.

Repeatedly criticizing one project without significant familiarity with both is not just pointless, it's counterproductive to aims of FOSS privacy and security.

Re: F-Droid Board of Directors nominations 2026

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Were any of the current directors or new nominees involved in the incident where F-Droid marked Bible and Quran apps as NSFW, hid them from search by default, and expressed the intent to remove them completely ( https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/issues/252#note_2578531026 )? (Discussed on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45638096 ) If I’m charitable, I could assume they intended to make a controversial move t…

> a sincere belief that these apps contained content unsafe for minors

Hey I believe that too. If people are entitled to believe whatever is written in those books, surely people are also entitled to believe it's nonsense and actively harmful.

Re: F-Droid Board of Directors nominations 2026

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Graphene doesn't really try to stop you. They just don't spend their own efforts on making it possible. It is OSS so, your free to spend your efforts where you want to.

This is however not their main argument. I doubt they would accept such pull request.

It would require a significant commitment of limited resources to broadly support insecure devices with very little upside, and to do so would constitute gross mismanagement of the project.

Meanwhile, others are completely free to fork numerous GrapheneOS improvements or benefit from their upstream improvements (as some have, including Google).

Why can't you understand that?

Re: F-Droid Board of Directors nominations 2026

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Imagine if Apple had this same mentality, they would never be where they are. (/s in case it is needed.) As a smaller project, choosing a small set of hardware and supporting it really well (aside from security reasons) seems like a much better strategy than supporting tens of devices badly (go to e.g. the /e/OS forums to see what regressions people are dealing with after monthly updates).

Indeed. Apple is financially successful, but they're ultimately a minority player in pretty much every market they engage with - including desktop/laptop computers and even mobile devices globally. And for me they are just as inaccessible as GraphineOS. But for Apple that is not necessarily a bad thing. They're a company. Their goal is to make money and they are highly successful at it. GraphineOS is not a company. T…

that value is undercut by its inaccessibility

You are saying this like GrapheneOS only runs on some unobtanium hardware. I can literally hop on my bike and pick up a phone that runs GrapheneOS in 5 minutes, every day of the week. Also, it's available in pretty much all price classes except maybe a 100-200 Euro phone that runs on a Unisoc CPU. Pixel 9a regularly goes for 350 Euro here and you can go all the way up to an expensive flagship with a Pixel Fold (or anything in between). Even in the 100-200 bracket you can probably pick up a refurbished 8a that should still be supported until 2031.

I know that they are not sold in every country, but worst case it should be possible to get your hands on one second hand or refurbished.

Re: F-Droid Board of Directors nominations 2026

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Were any of the current directors or new nominees involved in the incident where F-Droid marked Bible and Quran apps as NSFW, hid them from search by default, and expressed the intent to remove them completely ( https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/issues/252#note_2578531026 )? (Discussed on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45638096 ) If I’m charitable, I could assume they intended to make a controversial move t…

Even mainstream religions are seen at brainwashing cults by many people and my guess is it was something along these lines. They thought they were contributing to the greater good by keeping people from being indoctrinated into a cult. I don't agree but I've seen many self-proclaimed atheists make such statements.

Re: F-Droid Board of Directors nominations 2026

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Yeah, kids need to read this. Totally. /s

In Biblical times, yeah? There was no such thing as birth control. If you get pregnant and are unmarried, your life might as well get over.

> If you get pregnant and are unmarried, your life might as well get over.

Not really. And biblical times does not mean people's lives were run according to commandments in the Jewish bible (neither in ancient Judea nor elsewhere).

Re: F-Droid Board of Directors nominations 2026

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There's really nothing odd that company that runs Project Zero also builds devices that are well secured.

Qubes OS, operating system designed for security, doesn't prevent its installation on computers without VT-d. It will just warn you.

The problem with laptops is that UEFI is a shadow operating system that keeps running after boot, with a bunch of security vulnerabilities. Furthermore all Intel / AMD chips have a microprocessor state called SMF which if you trigger it basically gives you carte blanche to do whatever you want.

"Trusted Boot" is a meme on x86. If you really want something like that you need to do what Oxide Computer is doing and rip out UEFI for good and implement your own secure boot chain.

Qubes is great but at the end of the day cannot protect against evil maid attacks to the level that pixel or apple phones can. Its great at making sure a browser exploit cannot steal your banking credentials you have open in a different virtual machine but cannot overcome the limitations of the platforms it builds off of.

So I understand why the GrapheneOS folks do what they do.

See also: "X86 considered harmful" by the founder of Qubes OS (posted in 2015!)

https://blog.invisiblethings.org/papers/2015/x86_harmful.pdf

Re: F-Droid Board of Directors nominations 2026

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Were any of the current directors or new nominees involved in the incident where F-Droid marked Bible and Quran apps as NSFW, hid them from search by default, and expressed the intent to remove them completely ( https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/issues/252#note_2578531026 )? (Discussed on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45638096 ) If I’m charitable, I could assume they intended to make a controversial move t…

My reading is they were simply trying to comply with regulations. It wasn't about what ideas they believed the religious texts were trying to convey, but whether their content met a certain definition set by law. The law could be poorly written, or it could be poorly and over-cautiously interpreted by F-Droid maintainers. But I didn't get the feeling they were acting on any kind of moral judgement or own belief about…

Which regulations? F-Droid seems to be governed by Dutch law (see https://commonsconservancy.org/dracc/0039/ ). Do they have laws prohibiting all apps with any violence or promiscuity?

(As an aside, if they indeed had to follow some Dutch law and remove Bible and Quran apps, maybe F-Droid can be hosted by freedom.gov, US govt's new anticensorship portal..)

Re: F-Droid Board of Directors nominations 2026

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She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey’s and emissions like those of a horse. 21 And so, Oholibah, you relived your former days as a young girl in Egypt, when you first allowed your breasts to be fondled. Ezekiel 23:20

Setting aside the context of this quoted verse and how NSFW stuff is judged in religious texts, this doesn't address the more important point that OP raised: the visuals of this verse and more extreme ones can be easily found on Reddit and similar allowed apps. So OP's points stands.

The other apps are clients. The apps themselves don't actually contain any content, they're just code. An app that itself contains an offline copy of a book with NSFW text is not the same thing.

Meanwhile Reddit is a doubly poor example because even though the service contains NSFW content, it marks it as such, and then the client not only doesn't itself contain it but gives the user a separate opportunity to select against it when using the app to download pages.

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