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Dyson settles forced labour suit in landmark UK case

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Re: Dyson settles forced labour suit in landmark UK case

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I'm nearly certain he believed/believes in the Britannia Unchained folks type nonsense. Brexit, then ECHR exit, deregulate like crazy and exploit everyone and their mum. So long as GDP goes up.

He was just sore because the EU put limits on the energy consumption of vacuums.

Ironically they're lower powered than my Made-in-Germany Bosch.

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It's a demonstration of power. Which is exactly why it needs fighting against, because these people (i.e. Dyson) must not have power.

Not actually Dyson, one of their parts suppliers. The significance of this ruling is that a British company can be held liable for its suppliers' treatment of workers in anther country.

To add, what I wrote in parent is very brief and superficial. There is at least one comment here with more detail about when they can be liable, and why Dyson was liable in this case.

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And to prove it is possible to have a profitable vacuum cleaner manufacturing business that makes its machines in the UK - long live Henry! https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jul/24/how-hen... And unlike Dyson they are almost indestructible!

Few years back (before covid) I splashed out on a fancy Dyson. Worst vacuum cleaner ever. I'm sporting a Vax now, quite good, even runs VMS.

Dyson is Juicero of vacuum cleaners. So much "tech" for something so simple. A $100 Home Depot shop vacuum works as good if not better.

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Why do employers deny their employees toilet breaks? Do they actually believe it makes the employees more productive, or are they just cruel people?

Some people can't give without taking. They see the world purely as zero sum. They can't win without someone else losing. So, yeah, if they feel like they're "giving" to someone by paying them minimum wage they'll try to take as much as they can in return, including that person's dignity.

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Why not both? I've met my share of idiots measuring productivity wrong, and there needs to be a chain of idiots all the way up to let this escalate to a lawsuit (chains of idiots I've also seen). But I've also seen cruelty on occasion, and you need to have no empathy with your workers to have made this call in the first place.

What was that recent Microsoft quote, something about "we believe with Copilot one developer can produce 1m lines of code per month"?

So can I, and so can any man, but will they be useful lines?

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Poor performers get put on PIPs, right? Did that person's poor performance "ruin it for everyone" and put the rest of the working plebs (the entire company or department or whatever) on PIPs? No, of course not. The poor performer gets singled out, which is just fine. So instead of punishing everyone for some lying asshole's poor judgment, I propose management puts that lazy jerk on their own SDIP (sick day improvemen…

> The poor performer gets singled out, which is just fine. he's not a poor performer, he's just an asshole. And you can't fire someone for being an asshole > So instead of punishing everyone for some lying asshole's poor judgment, I propose management puts that lazy jerk on their own SDIP (sick day improvement plan). You're missing the point. You can't single the person out for violating a policy that you didn't have…

In the USA, unless they have a contract, you can definitely fire someone for being an asshole.

If you have any sense whatsoever, you'll simply say "we've decided not to continue your employment" and offer them a month of paid COBRA and two weeks of pay in exchange for an agreement not to sue.

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