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Setting up phones is a nightmare

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Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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Post by iririririr »

t0bia_s wrote: post #72
II2II wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I use proprietary stuff like Apple for these parts of my life. A new Apple device is usually a non-event: charge it, authenticate, wait for the back to restore while you go about your business. Most of the author's criticisms were centered on avoiding account creation and third-party apps. I'm not sure I would give Apple the benefit of the doubt here since the motivations are different: Apple is far more interested…

that isn't all that different from getting a Pixel. Paradox is, that with Pixel device you can get most freedom and security togather. Installation of GrapheneOS is easiest custom ROM installation that could possibly be.

> Installation of GrapheneOS

and you get absolutely nothing in return. Yeah you will have root access sometimes. But other than that, android is not opensource anymore.

I mean, it never was because you had hundreds (no exaggeration [1]) closed-binary blobs running (not to mention a whole OS on things like radio and camera, running on their own SoC), but now you cannot get even close to a proper of the userspace since google already anounced they will not be mainlining anything back to AOSP

[1] zero source for kernel pieces, even for pixel https://github.com/GrapheneOS/device_google_laguna-kernels_6...

Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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Post by iririririr »

cmiles74 wrote: post #68
adamsmark wrote: post #58

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iOS now has a ton of dialogs and set up steps and the occasional dark pattern in selling you various cloud based subscriptions to Apples various services. Having said all that, yes Android is pretty bad. I think it's the in the nature of platform owners to get their hooks into yoh as much as possible. When I set up Linux Mint, there was none of this.

It took a good while for me to figure out that a family member had inadvertently signed up for an Apple Music account that they were not using.

Apple going from being "the new microsoft" to being "the new AOL"

Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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Post by hvenev »

I personally call this process of setting up a new device, whether for me or for someone else, "shit shoveling". It is something of a ritual.

In the former case the thing that needs to be removed is the entirety of the OS (and if that proves to be impossible, the device is returned or discarded), and in the latter it's a scan of all apps and removal of all unnecessary apps, my grandma does not need Samsung Galaxy Games, thank you very much.

Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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Post by nomel »

cmckn wrote: post #80
sonofhans wrote: post #8

“Phones” in the title is doing lots of heavy lifting. “Android phones” is the key missing piece. I love Free software too, and I wish I could run more of my life on it, but it’s no longer my hobby. I like cars, too, but I don’t work on a hobby car. The author’s experience is why I use proprietary stuff like Apple for these parts of my life. A new Apple device is usually a non-event: charge it, authenticate, wait for…

To be fair, setting up a new iPhone (without restoring from backup) is a pretty long-winded process these days. You have to make about 50 decisions on various features, tap through numerous info screens, set up Face ID, Apple Pay, voice recognition, etc. etc. It feels like every team at Apple wants something in the onboarding flow.

All of those security related screens you listed is why I like Apple: security related things are local to secure enclave, not in cloud.

Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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Post by latexr »

bigyabai wrote: post #69
chuckadams wrote: post #62

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let's maybe not engage the patently obvious troll?

Only if you can't refute me. I don't think my comment is controversial among most iPhone owners, it's only the hardcore ecosystem enthusiasts that debate it. Most people really do treat their iPhone and iPad like a set-top box or games console; it's the minority who rely on it for work. A passionate minority, certainly, but nowhere near the market share Windows and ChromeOS carved out. iOS and iPadOS compete from the…

> Only if you can't refute me.

You have been refuted. Repeatedly. But as you yourself have said, you double down on disagreements. So I understand why you have been called a troll.

> it's only the hardcore ecosystem enthusiasts that debate it.

That’s not true at all. Case in point, I don’t care for phones. What I did care for was your exaggerated rhetoric. As someone who is critical of Tim Cook and modern-day Apple (especially around the state of their software), I’d rather criticisms remain grounded in things the people at Apple can understand and fix, not made up ramblings that make them dismiss critics as lunatics to ignore.

Your tone changed drastically from the original post. You went from derogatory terms and claiming “nobody wants” iOS devices to them having a “passionate” user base and recognising they can be used for work.

Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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Post by urbandw311er »

dismalaf wrote: post #19

This is literally the midwit meme... Here's how you actually set up an Android phone: - log into Google account - select a few checkboxes (basically just if you want to restore apps or not) - done, everything else is automatic All the fuckery they decided to do because they think they're tech savvy wasn't required.

You don’t sound very tech savvy yourself to be honest! Well, certainly not security conscious or in anyway concerned about data privacy.

Re: Setting up phones is a nightmare

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Post by Johnny555 »

encom wrote: post #63
mikestew wrote: post #46

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For many people around my area, iPhones are a status symbol choice. People in your area are very forthcoming. Not once have I ever heard someone vocalize that they bought an iPhone as a status symbol. “Easy to use”, “it’s what my friends use, and they like it”, but never “it makes me appear higher in the social strata”. They might think it, and I’m sure some do, but it’s not said out loud. Or maybe that’s not why the…

Paying 2000 USD for a phone absolutely is a status symbol. And nobody actually says a status symbol is one - like nobody says look at my Rolex watch, I paid 50000 USD for it . Nobody needs a 2000 USD phone and nobody needs a 50000 USD watch.

The problem with buying a $2000 iPhone as a status symbol is that no one knows whether you bought the $1100 256GB model or the $2000 1TB model unless you tell them.

But someone that cares about watches knows whether you paid $5000 or $50000 for your Rolex just by looking.

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