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Re: Larry Page has moved to Florida

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Post by kcplate »

lapcat wrote: post #43
Alupis wrote: post #20

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> philanthropic initiatives, non-profits > All of which pay taxes I think not. > It's short-sighted to think Page doesn't pay taxes nor contribute to California in significant, meaningful ways. Provide documentation and numbers, otherwise this alleged "significant" contribution is just hand-waving. > generations of extracting value from the Page family If Larry can just up and leave now, on very short notice, then th…

> Provide documentation and numbers, otherwise this alleged "significant" contribution is just hand-waving.

Last I heard Google employs around 70k people just in California and that has its genesis in Page and Brin inventing something. Thats pretty damn significant. Those people pay taxes, give to charities, etc…

> It's a total perversion of the fundamental idea of capitalism that governments are competing for companies and wealthy people. That's not how capitalist competition is supposed to work.

Exactly what authority or controlling doctrine are you appealing to here? Of course regional governments are going to try and attract local investment.

Re: Larry Page has moved to Florida

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Post by kcplate »

steveBK123 wrote: post #66
GenerWork wrote: post #3

>"He wasn't just pretending to move to Florida." Do people often pretend that they're going to move? Seems like a weird thing to say.

Yes.. Florida is fine, and the weather is even nice 3-6 months/year depending on your basis of comparison. But if you are unfathomably rich, it's missing a lot of the culture/arts/schools/dining/tier 1 medical care/things to do of a big blue city like NYC/Bay Area/whatever. It's also culturally a place who already made their money elsewhere go to flaunt it. It's a very different vibe than places people work and grow…

> it's missing a lot of the culture culture/arts/schools/dining/tier 1 medical care/things to do…

My guess is you haven’t spent much time in Miami or Florida. It’s most definitely not just theme parks and beaches.

Re: Larry Page has moved to Florida

#83

Post by lapcat »

kcplate wrote: post #81
lapcat wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> philanthropic initiatives, non-profits > All of which pay taxes I think not. > It's short-sighted to think Page doesn't pay taxes nor contribute to California in significant, meaningful ways. Provide documentation and numbers, otherwise this alleged "significant" contribution is just hand-waving. > generations of extracting value from the Page family If Larry can just up and leave now, on very short notice, then th…

> Provide documentation and numbers, otherwise this alleged "significant" contribution is just hand-waving. Last I heard Google employs around 70k people just in California and that has its genesis in Page and Brin inventing something. Thats pretty damn significant. Those people pay taxes, give to charities, etc… > It's a total perversion of the fundamental idea of capitalism that governments are competing for compan…

> Last I heard Google employs around 70k people just in California and that has its genesis in Page and Brin inventing something. Thats pretty damn significant. Those people pay taxes, give to charities, etc…

So is your view is that a bunch of people much less wealthy than Larry Page paying taxes and giving to charities is equivalent to Larry Page paying taxes and giving to charities???

In other words, rich people don't have to pay taxes as long as their employees do? Bizarre.

And again, Page is not even involved much anymore in Google, which was founded in 1998. Does he for some reason get a free pass on taxes forever, because he did something in the 20th century?

> Exactly what authority or controlling doctrine are you appealing to here?

I'm appealing to economic theory, which posits the benefits of sellers competing with each other for consumers in a free market. It does not posit the benefits of governments competing with each other for sellers, and in fact that grossly distorts the market.

Re: Larry Page has moved to Florida

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Post by steveBK123 »

kcplate wrote: post #82
steveBK123 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes.. Florida is fine, and the weather is even nice 3-6 months/year depending on your basis of comparison. But if you are unfathomably rich, it's missing a lot of the culture/arts/schools/dining/tier 1 medical care/things to do of a big blue city like NYC/Bay Area/whatever. It's also culturally a place who already made their money elsewhere go to flaunt it. It's a very different vibe than places people work and grow…

> it's missing a lot of the culture culture/arts/schools/dining/tier 1 medical care/things to do… My guess is you haven’t spent much time in Miami or Florida. It’s most definitely not just theme parks and beaches.

I've spent plenty of time in Miami & Palm Beach

Sure there's stuff, but its like 1/10th the stuff

Friends who moved down ended up keeping their NYC doctors after being very unhappy with treatment, etc

Re: Larry Page has moved to Florida

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Post by maddmann »

Bender wrote: post #69
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #59

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Their 'paying in' is capped at a ridiculously low rate thanks to their continuous lobbying and equal to what doctors pay in. Brin paid more for his new home that his lifetime charity giving according to Forbes. https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbeswealthteam/2026/02/09/ame... looks like he paid more for his new house that what Forbes thinks he's given to charity.

And that's fine. The pay out is also on a scale. I have no desire to "rob the rich". Everyone pays into corrupt governments and fraudulent wasteful government programs. I would rather cut 50% of all programs every year to remove the burden from all citizens.

You are basically an anarchist then. There are examples of good governance in the world, where the rule of law hasn’t been eroded by the people you are set on protecting. The problem with billionaires is more about the problem of power in the hands of a few greedy people who change the balance of power in their favor.

Re: Larry Page has moved to Florida

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Post by Bender »

maddmann wrote: post #85
Bender wrote: post #69

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And that's fine. The pay out is also on a scale. I have no desire to "rob the rich". Everyone pays into corrupt governments and fraudulent wasteful government programs. I would rather cut 50% of all programs every year to remove the burden from all citizens.

You are basically an anarchist then. There are examples of good governance in the world, where the rule of law hasn’t been eroded by the people you are set on protecting. The problem with billionaires is more about the problem of power in the hands of a few greedy people who change the balance of power in their favor.

You are basically an anarchist then.

No I am a leave people alone that are not harming me. I am not envious and I am not a power tripper. If I want to help those in need then I will push my government to cut programs. Governments do not help those in need as they have no incentive to do so. They will pocket the money as they do every ... single ... damn ... time. This never changes and never will.

Re: Larry Page has moved to Florida

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Post by Bender »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #76
Bender wrote: post #69

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And that's fine. The pay out is also on a scale. I have no desire to "rob the rich". Everyone pays into corrupt governments and fraudulent wasteful government programs. I would rather cut 50% of all programs every year to remove the burden from all citizens.

It might be fine but it's not a brag that 'the billionaire is contributing'. Reminder that the Republican policy for 40 years has been to 'starve the beast' and in other ways sabotage government programs so that exactly your argument can be presented. Prior to that intentional sabotage by Republicans and aligned political partisans against the United States we had much less fraudulent and wasteful government. When ha…

As it pertains to monetary policies there is no left, no right, no democrats, no republicans. It's the same left and right leg attached to the same ass. Each boot will pretend to hate the other guy but its just a show to make people fight and keep them distracted. Both sides have the same agenda, they just have a different style of kicking our asses. Each side wears a different shade of lipstick.

Re: Larry Page has moved to Florida

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Post by maddmann »

Bender wrote: post #86
maddmann wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are basically an anarchist then. There are examples of good governance in the world, where the rule of law hasn’t been eroded by the people you are set on protecting. The problem with billionaires is more about the problem of power in the hands of a few greedy people who change the balance of power in their favor.

You are basically an anarchist then. No I am a leave people alone that are not harming me . I am not envious and I am not a power tripper. If I want to help those in need then I will push my government to cut programs. Governments do not help those in need as they have no incentive to do so. They will pocket the money as they do every ... single ... damn ... time. This never changes and never will.

That’s simply not true, governments help billions of people in many ways, especially people with disabilities, children (ie labor protections), women, etc. You are completely disingenuous to say otherwise. Billionaires are harming many people through eroding the institutions that protect the average people (rulings like citizens united, trumps election, etc). You don’t seem like a person with a real perspective to me.

Re: Larry Page has moved to Florida

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Post by kcplate »

lapcat wrote: post #83
kcplate wrote: post #81

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> Provide documentation and numbers, otherwise this alleged "significant" contribution is just hand-waving. Last I heard Google employs around 70k people just in California and that has its genesis in Page and Brin inventing something. Thats pretty damn significant. Those people pay taxes, give to charities, etc… > It's a total perversion of the fundamental idea of capitalism that governments are competing for compan…

> Last I heard Google employs around 70k people just in California and that has its genesis in Page and Brin inventing something. Thats pretty damn significant. Those people pay taxes, give to charities, etc… So is your view is that a bunch of people much less wealthy than Larry Page paying taxes and giving to charities is equivalent to Larry Page paying taxes and giving to charities??? In other words, rich people do…

> So is your view is that a bunch of people much less wealthy than Larry Page paying taxes and giving to charities is equivalent to Larry Page paying taxes and giving to charities???

What I said was his impact on California has been significant in part because of the business he created and the people that business employs having a significant impact.

> In other words, rich people don't have to pay taxes as long as their employees do? Bizarre

I never made this claim. Not sure why you are.

> Does he for some reason get a free pass on taxes forever

I hope you are not suggesting that he is breaking some law here by choosing to relocate to a more favorable financial environment for him. People of all incomes make (legal) financial decisions every day for their own benefit. Of you feel the laws are in some way unfair, elect people who will change them.

> appealing to economic theory…

There are lots of economic theories (especially around capitalism). You are assuming laissez-faire somehow trumps others? Why?

Re: Larry Page has moved to Florida

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Post by lapcat »

kcplate wrote: post #89
lapcat wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Last I heard Google employs around 70k people just in California and that has its genesis in Page and Brin inventing something. Thats pretty damn significant. Those people pay taxes, give to charities, etc… So is your view is that a bunch of people much less wealthy than Larry Page paying taxes and giving to charities is equivalent to Larry Page paying taxes and giving to charities??? In other words, rich people do…

> So is your view is that a bunch of people much less wealthy than Larry Page paying taxes and giving to charities is equivalent to Larry Page paying taxes and giving to charities??? What I said was his impact on California has been significant in part because of the business he created and the people that business employs having a significant impact. > In other words, rich people don't have to pay taxes as long as t…

> What I said was his impact on California has been significant in part because of the business he created and the people that business employs having a significant impact.

Yes, he co-founded Google in 1998, nobody disputes that. But how is that relevant to his personal tax rate in 2026?

You're changing the subject, because we were talking about things Page is doing now, not what he did in the past. I was responding to this: "The Page Family operates a number of philanthropic initiatives, non-profits, and other companies outside of Alphabet."

> I never made this claim. Not sure why you are.

What are you arguing, exactly?

> I hope you are not suggesting that he is breaking some law here by choosing to relocate to a more favorable financial environment for him.

No. Paul Graham claimed that California cost itself by driving away Page, whereas I suggested that California wasn't actually losing much by doing so, since Page probably doesn't pay much in taxes now.

> There are lots of economic theories (especially around capitalism). You are assuming laissez-faire somehow trumps others? Why?

I am not a proponent of laissez-faire capitalism. However, many people are proponents, and argue that it leads to the best outcome for society. My point is that nobody, except perhaps the billionaires themselves believes that governments competing for the presence of billionaires leads to the best outcome for society. To me it seems like the worst of all possible worlds.

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