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Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by Zev »

Steko wrote: post #17
bane wrote: post #6

May be the second time I've found a genuinely insightful piece by Gruber. Skeuomorphic design was a nod to my non-computer using father in the 90s. It no more represents useful metaphors for interfaces than steam engines represent a good way to build cars. iOS is stagnant, reviews of recent Apple designed skeuo-heavy apps bemone the lack of functionality -- while noting what must be hundreds of hours of graphics work…

"iOS is stagnant" iOS only seems stagnant because they don't have to trumpet every year about how they've finally gotten rid of ui lag or completely overhauled the system appearance. These are points in it's favor to most people.

iOS only seems stagnant because they don't have to trumpet every year about how they've finally gotten rid of ui lag..

You might not notice it, but, there is an eighth-of-a-second-ish delay between when you tap on most buttons and when the action occurs. An obvious (to me) example is when you tap on the back button on a navigation controller, and it takes a split second before anything happens..

It isn't much, but it is consistent across the OS, and it drives me crazy.

Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by usea »

sedev wrote: post #68
brudgers wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment is non-offensive and draws an analogy between two organizations which used propaganda effectively. Comparing Mr. Gruber's writings to those of fellow travelers is a legitimate comment on the possibility of editorial bias in the original article. I It is useful because it places the article within a larger historical context. It extends the content, and on HN, that is appropriate.

All right, let's go into specifics here. I strongly disagree with your description of the objectionable comment: * First, saying that it is "non-offensive" to compare someone to Stalin's regime (or more generally to the Soviet regimes) is so blatantly inaccurate that it's difficult to believe that you seriously advanced that claim. Let's set aside "offensive" and say merely that comparing someone to Stalin is in virt…

Comparing two things is different from equating them. It's not offensive to compare Stalin to anything, including those things you hold sacred. It doesn't imply they are equal in all respects, and any inference to that effect on your part is in error.

Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by bennyg »

chc wrote: post #80
bennyg wrote: post #57

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You think voice integration isn't interaction? That's literally a form of interaction with the device that was not there in iOS 1.

I feel pretty sure there was a "visual" in there you're ignoring.

Didn't know you meant visual(design and interaction). Still though, it's a little frustrating to say they've stagnated. Apple is very, very long-term focused.

Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by bane »

stcredzero wrote: post #69
bane wrote: post #60

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Look and feel-wise...the iOS look is getting dated. I don't think they should parrot the flat square look Microsoft is going for nor the Tron look in Android. But this http://dribbble.s3.amazonaws.com/users/3331/screenshots/1108... is getting old (OS X is even worse) I'm not a visual designer so I'm not sure I'm entirely qualified to offer suggestions, but there are other button styles, even completely new ones that…

> Let's not go for shiny kitsch, let's go for expensive sports car with a matte paint job The only cars I see with matte paint jobs are car modder's econoboxes, which look pretty kitsch.

https://www.google.com/search?q=matte+black&hl=en&sa...

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Post by rralian »

brudgers wrote: post #23
erifneerg wrote: post #18

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Forstall may have been trying to do a move similar to what Jobs did when he returned to Apple. Jobs lost confidence in where the company was going and sold all but one of his shares. The maps may have called Forstall's "bluff".

One thing is pretty certain. The decision to dump Google was probably made above Forestall's pay grade. I suspect that the decision to include Maps in the next release of iOS happened about the same time as the decision to dump the stock. Stock sale announced in May, Maps announced in June.

If he dumped his shares based (even partially) on the decision to drop google maps, wouldn't that be insider trading? I don't really understand how top executives are able to trade in their own stock.

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Post by Magenta »

thelibrarian wrote: post #37
tnorthcutt wrote: post #32

Good read. However: One of the things I admire about Apple is their plainspokenness, both in advertising and in press releases. ... Thinking about it some more, though, and considering what I know about Forstall’s reputation within the company, I think that headline, euphemistic though it is, tells the plain truth: This, to me, reads as "Apple is plainspoken. Ok, so they're not, but let me convince you that even when…

I think what Gruber was trying to say here is that (in his opinion at least) Apple is usually plainspoken, but in this case they were not because they were being polite to Forstall by being euphemistic rather than plainly saying that he was given the arse.

Sure, but euphemism just doesn't fall under the umbrella of 'plainness,' in any way, shape or form. So you can't be euphemistic and tell the plain truth. It's just a bollocks statement.

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Post by nir »

sedev wrote: post #68
brudgers wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment is non-offensive and draws an analogy between two organizations which used propaganda effectively. Comparing Mr. Gruber's writings to those of fellow travelers is a legitimate comment on the possibility of editorial bias in the original article. I It is useful because it places the article within a larger historical context. It extends the content, and on HN, that is appropriate.

All right, let's go into specifics here. I strongly disagree with your description of the objectionable comment: * First, saying that it is "non-offensive" to compare someone to Stalin's regime (or more generally to the Soviet regimes) is so blatantly inaccurate that it's difficult to believe that you seriously advanced that claim. Let's set aside "offensive" and say merely that comparing someone to Stalin is in virt…

It was a joke, as commenters here observed. Generally if I see a comment I don't like the best signal/noise strategy is to just ignore it (unless its offensive. Didn't mean to offend).

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Post by cpeterso »

krickle wrote: post #55
jader201 wrote: post #49

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All of what you've listed is just repeating the same point: iOS hasn't changed much since its inception. But you're still not answering the question: what needs to change? Don't get me wrong, it's not that I think it can't be improved, because I can think of a few needed improvements myself. But I hear people continue to say this about Apple -- "They aren't innovating lately." -- without saying what needs to change.…

I want widgets on the desktop and/or on the lock screen (as a developer api), sideloading applications, some way to store data accessable to any app, a phone number black or whitelist, and a way for users to allow an app to do arbitrary tasks in the background or refuse any app from doing the Apple-allowed tasks in the background. Oh, and keyboards, developers should be allowed to make keyboards. Then there are a ton…

I'd like to an "Add to Home Screen" feature for phone contacts for one-tap dialing (like you can with browser bookmarks).

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Post by angryasian »

qq66 wrote: post #22
ChrisClark wrote: post #20

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I'd say it is stagnant because when you look at the design, it just feels old. I'm not much of a designer, I can't tell you why, but it just seems dated. Perhaps it is the skeuomorphism, maybe something else, but something is off about it now.

It feels old because it hasn't changed in 5 years, but I personally appreciate that. All of the original mechanics make perfect sense, and the new mechanics (such as app folders and multitasking) have been introduced in a way that minimizes interference with the existing look and feel. As someone who uses a lot of music production apps that can't talk to each other, I do wish there was something like a filesystem, bu…

>All of the original mechanics make perfect sense

this is the same thing thats spouted by fans of the iphone. We don't need a smaller ipad 10" is the perfect size. We don't need a bigger phone screen, this fits the perfect size for all hands. All this is said till Apple actually does it.

Re: Forstall Out; Ive Up

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Post by danilocampos »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #45
danilocampos wrote: post #13

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> Can someone please tell me why this is worthy of HN front page? Sure! I'd be happy to. The way Hacker News works is, people submit content. If people like the content, they vote it up. Sufficiently high-voted content reaches the front page. 55 people have voted this up at the time of this comment, feeling the content was worth their attention. Given the recency of the content relative to the votes it has received,…

him: why did people elect Hitler? you: Explaining how votes are tallied. Technically correct but totally useless.

Only three deep and already we're on Hitler?
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