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Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by ksec »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #51
preommr wrote: post #38

Regardless of the value of Brexit, people tend to be biased against things that have happened or are around them when things are bad. Like when people are against a president if the economy isn't doing well, regardless of if the alternative candidate would've been better. This also isn't an issue thats being campaigned on. If there was another vote to join the EU, and people got flooded with anti-eu messaging specifi…

The EU always has been a scapegoat for incompetent politicians. Now the EU is out of the picture, there’s no-one left to blame. And we can clearly see that the EU, for all its faults, is a very beneficial institution for all involved.

People may agree or disagree on Brexit. But my god your sentence sums up what is happening in the UK, without anyone to blame, whether it is Russia, China, US or EU, UK have simply failed to strategically plan or execute on anything.

And there are plenty of people on HN would say otherwise and say UK is fine.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by davidguetta »

breakyerself wrote: post #72
blfr wrote: post #59

It is constantly shocking to me that no matter how many times and where in the west people vote against immigration (which is what most of these votes boil down to), they can never get it. It's truly a crown in the gutter moment where you can be completely off-the-wall nuts (vide AfD) and, if you're just willing to campaign on anti-immigration, your ranks will instantly swell. Yet the establishment is somehow complet…

Because the establishment knows how integral to the economy immigration is and because it isn't that easy to stop even for an island. Unless you want to shut down tourism and trade.

Stopping is a long way from "actively encouraging it and calling racist everybody who disagree" (and actively hide horrific stuff like the rape gangs).

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by cedws »

neRok wrote: post #74
cedws wrote: post #17

I was too young to vote in the referendum. I’m incredibly angry about having lost freedom of movement. If the UK by some miracle rejoins the EU I will make the jump to Europe the very same day. Still looking for a way out in the meantime. The UK just keeps kicking young people down. The boomers voting against our interests are whipping us into working to pay for their triple locked pensions.

> Still looking for a way out in the meantime. Have you got an ancestor that was born in Canada? [1] It sounds like that a child of a "red coat" born on the lands that would become Canada is sufficient... [2] [1]: [Heads Up: Canadian Genealogy is about to get VERY popular!]( https://old.reddit.com/r/Genealogy/comments/1qqkzte/heads_up... ) > On December 15, 2025 Canada enacted "Bill C-3", granting citizenship to peop…

Unfortunately not, but thank you.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by smspillaz »

blfr wrote: post #59

It is constantly shocking to me that no matter how many times and where in the west people vote against immigration (which is what most of these votes boil down to), they can never get it. It's truly a crown in the gutter moment where you can be completely off-the-wall nuts (vide AfD) and, if you're just willing to campaign on anti-immigration, your ranks will instantly swell. Yet the establishment is somehow complet…

But they do meaningfully try to address this.

Almost every country in the west is tightening it's system. In the UK claiming ILR will take a significantly longer period of lawful residence, and a shorter time will require you to meet a high income threshold. It is nearly impossible to get PR in Canada now unless you are fluent in both English and French and have a PhD or several years of canadian work experience. The bar has also gone up in Australia too.

The reason why this doesn't seem to move the needle on the anti-immigration vote is because the folks on that side can always just move the goalposts and be the "true" anti-immigrant party. I believe these days Reform UK wants cancel all ILRs and start actively deporting long term residents who don't meet an ever raising bar. Its madness.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by tirant »

Schmerika wrote: post #10
mcc1ane wrote: post #9

The cohort least likely to vote.

And the cohort most likely to vote well when they do. The 18 year olds who vote less but vote for good parties are doing good, overall. The 60 year olds voting Tory their whole lives - not so much. It's very easy to blame the young for all the problems earlier generations created and exacerbated. Not too wise though.

Who defines what voting well is? Or what a good party is?

The observed damage that the UK has inflicted to itself has been caused so far by all the parties that have been in power.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by satori99 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #46
Schmerika wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the cohort most likely to vote well when they do. The 18 year olds who vote less but vote for good parties are doing good, overall. The 60 year olds voting Tory their whole lives - not so much. It's very easy to blame the young for all the problems earlier generations created and exacerbated. Not too wise though.

> And the cohort most likely to vote well when they do Eh, this is far from a given. Mao's Red Guards were passionate idiots. And America's young men are in thrall of Clavicular. The most powerful empires in history have had large rebublics at their cores for good reason. The wisdom of a crowd greatly increases with its diversity.

As an Australian, I am so grateful for compulsory voting.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by tirant »

kitd wrote: post #64
Keekgette wrote: post #42

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IIRC, only education outranked age in predicting how likely you were to vote leave. In short, the younger and more intelligent you were, the more likely you were to vote remain. Looks like today's youth continues that trend.

Education and age are not equivalent to intelligence.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by blfr »

ForHackernews wrote: post #79
blfr wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would be a good explanation but most of these immigrants, especially from outside the EU, are not net contributors. vide https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-e... from https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/12/18/why-have-danes-t... And I highly doubt other governments don't have similar calculations or aren't aware of them.

...but Brits voted against EU immigrants.

Yeah, what I am saying is that these votes, regardless of their formal content, are usually an expression of general anti-immigrant sentiment.

Like voting for AfD. I doubt many people look at this organization and its leaders to conclude that "ah, here is the talent I would love to have running my country." They're merely the only available option against. Same with brexit.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by ido »

crims0n wrote: post #85

Been reading a lot of novels set during the golden years of the British Empire. It is both amazing and terrifying how far a country can fall in less than a century… which for some lucky people is a single lifetime.

Both the average and mean UK citizen is unambiguously better off today than whenever the golden age of the empire was.
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