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Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by microtonal »

paxys wrote: post #73

The fundamental problem is that we are relying on the good graces of Google to keep Android open, despite the fact that it often runs run contrary to their goals as a $4T for-profit behemoth. This may have worked in the past, but the "don't be evil" days are very far behind us. I don't see a real future for Andrioid as an open platform unless the community comes together and does a hard fork. Google can continue to d…

A hard fork is not needed. Non-Google Android do not have to enforce this requirement. It's more important to get as many people on alternatives like GrapheneOS as possible. And fund them by donating to them. If every ~0.5 million GrapheneOS users donated 10 Euro per month, they would be very well-funded.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by aeve890 »

hparadiz wrote: post #53
Atlas667 wrote: post #42

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Meanwhile the NSA and Mossad can see you fapping on your phone and scan your face in real time and you're implicitly fine with it This is what lack of options does to a MF

This made me laugh cause of how true it is.

Nah, that can't be true. Just imagine the traffic peak the first day after NNN if they're streaming from your phone in real time.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by drnick1 »

stackghost wrote: post #63
drnick1 wrote: post #44

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Have you considered Graphene since you own a Pixel? It's a huge upgrade over the stock OS in terms of security, privacy and general reduction of bloat.

Yep it's definitely on my list but my Pixel is on its last legs and I'm considering going back to iOS.

I urge you not too. iOS is fully locked down -- Apple won't allow you to exert control over the hardware that you bought and own, it's shocking.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by realusername »

paxys wrote: post #73

The fundamental problem is that we are relying on the good graces of Google to keep Android open, despite the fact that it often runs run contrary to their goals as a $4T for-profit behemoth. This may have worked in the past, but the "don't be evil" days are very far behind us. I don't see a real future for Andrioid as an open platform unless the community comes together and does a hard fork. Google can continue to d…

The answer has to come from anti trust legislation. Android is too big for Google to control.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by iso1631 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #41
malfist wrote: post #28

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90% of your usage on your phone is banking apps or NFC payments? That seems hard to believe.

That's pretty much my usage pattern too, including some group texting, the occasional call and sometimes taking photos/videos. Otherwise my phone pretty much stays in my pocket or on my table the entire day. What are you using your phone for that makes that so unbelievable?

I used my bank app yesterday, but since then I've used:

whatsapp, phone, push authenticator, safari (having followed a link from a message), spotify, slack, mail, calandar, disney plus and camera

Do you not do any of that on a mobile device?

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by mturilin »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #75
tux1968 wrote: post #74

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Why not? It's their operating system, and they're trying to balance quite a few competing priorities. Scammers are not a threat to dismiss out of hand (i've had family who were victims). For it to be truly considered open source, you should be able to fork it and create your own edits to change the defaults however you wish. Whether that is still a possibility or not, is a completely separate issue from how they proc…

> Why not? It's their operating system It's my phone.

What makes it “yours”?

You paid for it but Google still has the control. I understand that you prefers things to be different (as do I) but the reality is that we don’t have control over devices we paid for.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by handity »

paxys wrote: post #73

The fundamental problem is that we are relying on the good graces of Google to keep Android open, despite the fact that it often runs run contrary to their goals as a $4T for-profit behemoth. This may have worked in the past, but the "don't be evil" days are very far behind us. I don't see a real future for Andrioid as an open platform unless the community comes together and does a hard fork. Google can continue to d…

A hard fork doesn't matter when the vast majority of phones have a locked bootloader.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by realusername »

nimbius wrote: post #25

This isnt going to be a popular post because the HN crowd is very much a "China bad" crowd but I hypothesize China will likely step in and offer a fork that's compatible with open ecosystems not under the direct control of the us state department. This might be in the form of commits and investment in fdroid and pinephone, or a tiktok like alternative to the wests walled garden. Edit: this will likely exist "uncensor…

As far as I know, China forbids open bootloaders on its territory so it's not where you'll see any open ecosystem.

Not Google controlled for sure but also not open.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by fredgrott »

What people forget is that the real monopoly is in how the AOSP hardware OEM contract is written....

Remember how hard Amazon had it to attempt an Android fork?

I was due to OEM SOC access being locked out due to those contracts....

Any open source mobile OS attempting to complete with AOSP needs access to mobile OEM soc providers not touched by AOSP contracts and currently that is somewhat hard.

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