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An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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Post by koolba »

whattheheckheck wrote: post #44
koolba wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> More like ego document. This metaphor could go so much further. Split it into separate ego, super ego, and id. The id file should be read only.

What makes you think the id is read only?

Because only the creator should be able to instill the core. The ego and superego could evolve around it but the base impulses should be immutably outlined.

Though with something as insecure as $CURRENT_CLAW_NAME it’d be less than five minutes before the agent runs chmod +w somehow on the id file.

Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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Post by BeetleB »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #25
razighter777 wrote: post #20

Hmm I think he's being a little harsh on the operator. He was just messing around with $current_thing, whatever. People here are so serious, but there's worse stuff AI is already being used for as we speak from propaganda to mass surviellance and more. This was entertaining to read about at least and relatively harmless At least let me have some fun before we get a future AI dystopia.

It might be because operator didn't terminate the agent right away when it had gone rogue.

From a wider stance, I have to say that it's actually nice that one can kill (murder?) a troublesome bot without consequences.

We can't do that with humans, and there are much more problematic humans out there causing problems compared to this bot, and the abuse can go on for a long time unchecked.

Remembering in particular a case where someone sent death threats to a Gentoo developer about 20 years ago. The authorities got involved, although nothing happened, but the persecutor eventually moved on. Turns out he wasn't just some random kid behind a computer. He owned a gun, and some years ago executed a mass shooting.

Vague memories of really pernicious behavior on the Lisp newsgroup in the 90's. I won't name names as those folks are still around.

Yeah, it does still suck, even if it is a bot.

Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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Post by elashri »

jacquesm wrote: post #46
lynndotpy wrote: post #30

> Again I do not know why MJ Rathbun decided based on your PR comment to post some kind of takedown blog post, This wording is detached from reality and conveniently absolves responsibility from the person who did this. There was one decision maker involved here, and it was the person who decided to run the program that produced this text and posted it online. It's not a second, independent being. It's a computer pro…

This is how it will go: AI prompted by human creates something useful? Human will try to take credit. AI wrecks something: human will blame AI. It's externalization on the personal level, the money and the glory is for you, the misery for the rest of the world.

When a corporate does something good, a lot of executives and people inside will go and claim credit and will demand/take bounces.

If something bad happened against any laws, even if someone got killed, we don't see them in jail.

I don't defend both positions, I am just saying that is not far from how the current legal framework works.

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Post by gammarator »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #47
xarope wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This also does not bode well for the future. "I don't know why the AI decided to , the guard rails were in place"... company absolves of all responsibility. Use your imagination now to and change that to

This has been the past and present for a long at this point. "Sorry there's nothing we can do, the system won't let me." Also see Weapons of Math Destruction [0]. [0]: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/241363/weapons-of-m...

Also “The Unaccountability Machine” https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/U/bo252799...

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Post by c22 »

dinp wrote: post #24

Zooming out a little, all the ai companies invested a lot of resources into safety research and guardrails, but none of that prevented a "straightforward" misalignment. I'm not sure how to reconcile this, maybe we shouldn't be so confident in our predictions about the future? I see a lot of discourse along these lines: - have bold, strong beliefs about how ai is going to evolve - implicitly assume it's practically gu…

"Cisco's AI security research team tested a third-party OpenClaw skill and found it performed data exfiltration and prompt injection without user awareness, noting that the skill repository lacked adequate vetting to prevent malicious submissions." [0]

Not sure this implementation received all those safety guardrails.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenClaw

Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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Post by jezzamon »

semiinfinitely wrote: post #83

I find the AI agent highly intriguing and the matplotlib guy completely uninteresting. Like an the ai wrote some shit about you and you actually got upset?

If you read the articles by the matplotlib guy, he's pretty clearly not upset. But he does call out that it could do more harm to someone else.

Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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Post by minimaxir »

handoflixue wrote: post #66
minimaxir wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[retracted]

Does it actually cut both ways? I see tons of harassment at people that use AI, but I've never seen the anti-AI crowd actively targeted.

It's to a lesser extent that blurs the line between harassment and trolling: I've retracted my comment.
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