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Re: European Tech Alternatives

#81

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Have you heard of a little company called Arm Holdings? It was a travesty that the UK government let it be sold, admittedly.

UK isn't European. They made that clear when they voted for Brexit.

The UK is not in the EU, but it is surely european.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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post #79

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Iirc: mistral has American investors, black forest labs hq has been moved to silicon valley.

That's another problem with the idea of tech sovereignity. Anything succesful, even if it started in Europe, will go global, including literally going to the USA

Hub and spoke market model of the world. Some realities can not change. could move back to britain-canada though.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#83
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I don’t understand why Mistral gets so little recognition. They consistently have a top model on benchmarks such as LiveBench and their models are open source. Hugging Face is French, Black Forrest Labs (Stable Diffusion) is German, Weaviate is Dutch, Hetzner for IaasS. There’s AI here. Maybe hardware production is the bigger problem?

Do they? That's surprising. I saw them come up here twice for their OCR model, I tried using it on a 200 PDF that was just printed text without embedded OCR and it failed miserably - got less than tesseract and I ended up with a $5 bill.

I figured Mistral was a nice idea and liked because it was a European competitor more than because it competes. I'll be happy to be wrong if it has improved

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#84
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Every time I see an idea like this (or a politician talking about tech 'sovereignty') I feel sad for the 20-year-old me who really believed in the declaration of the independence of cyberspace. > Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have…

Such an idea never made any real sense, and never will until you can figure out how to move IT infrastructure into a separate dimension where governments have no authority. Those servers have to sit somewhere.

That's the whole plan with the space servers. As soon as we sort out a few problems, we're good to go.

Problems: Solar flare & radiation resistance. Heat dissipation. Energy (more effective solar panels, for things as close to sun as we).

Partially solved - getting to orbit. And as much as we hate musk, SpaceX might solve it once Starships start flying commercially.

If we would separate energy part out and beam it somehow, we could sit in a body's shadow in some Lagrange point equivalent for a given body system and greatly reduce heat dissipation requirements and suspectibility to solar flares.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#85
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Using a European solution just because it’s European sounds wrong to me. Sounds like we’ve done this kind of nationalism in the past and failed. There are other reasons why Europe isn’t attractive for bringing these kinds of technologies to life, and investor money is only a small part of it. Especially in a company’s early days. Building a market reserved for mediocre tech solutions sounds like the wrong way to make…

Europe isn't a nation. And the whole point here is a more diverse alternative to the extreme dependency on the US tech companies

Nothing is a nation- but something bundled together by hardship. Europe is in for hardship.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you heard of a little company called Arm Holdings? It was a travesty that the UK government let it be sold, admittedly.

UK isn't European. They made that clear when they voted for Brexit.

The UK is no longer in the EU; The UK is still in Europe and is very much European.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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That is false. You can absolutely found a company by just getting an entry as a merchant here with neither of the things you listed. If you want to found a limited liability company though, then yes, you need some monetary backing to cover for fuckups (likely the 25k are not fully covering it anyway) and a notary to make it official.

No, you CANNOT found a company like that. It’s an absolute fabrication. You also seem to somehow justify spending 25k on an endeavor you don’t know will succeed upfront, when every other country on the planet allows you to open one with orders of magnitude smaller amounts of capital. You can open a UK LTD in a few days with 12GBP. Similar in DK/NL/CZ… the list goes on. I’ve learned firsthand that germans will bend ov…

You are clearly misinformed. According to German law, you can start a UG (limited) with only 1€ + notary cost. Starting a business with personal liability doesn't cost anything.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

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Using a European solution just because it’s European sounds wrong to me. Sounds like we’ve done this kind of nationalism in the past and failed. There are other reasons why Europe isn’t attractive for bringing these kinds of technologies to life, and investor money is only a small part of it. Especially in a company’s early days. Building a market reserved for mediocre tech solutions sounds like the wrong way to make…

> Using a European solution just because it’s European sounds wrong to me. That depends who you are, and what you are doing. If you have information stored such that having it in US infrastructure is a national security risk, then you might think differently. >but governments should copy some of the reasons the breeding grounds in the US and China exist. Which reasons should they copy? Massive government subsidies? L…

> Which reasons should they copy? Massive government subsidies? Large grants masquerading as defence contracts? Threatening foreign governments to force market access with taxation lower than the native businesses? Are you saying European governments should favour European companies just because they are European?

The US and China pulling all this shit is exactly why the whole European alternatives thing is trending. Before Trump started threatening everyone, we had no problem using US tech.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you heard of a little company called Arm Holdings? It was a travesty that the UK government let it be sold, admittedly.

UK isn't European. They made that clear when they voted for Brexit.

UK is European. Membership of EU is unnecessary for that criterion to be met.

Re: European Tech Alternatives

#90
post #17

Every time I see an idea like this (or a politician talking about tech 'sovereignty') I feel sad for the 20-year-old me who really believed in the declaration of the independence of cyberspace. > Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have…

Its most horrifying if you look at what it usually burns down and fizzles out to. Governments in the middle east- one dominant family, extracting, the rest suffering in silence boxed away in silos, with no chance to move and create ever again - well except for unrest and fundamentalist movements.
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