Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or "Why does 2 degrees matter?" Because when were 4 degrees cooler, NYC was under 1000 feet of ice. We really don't want to find out what 4 degrees hotter is like.
Wait really? 1000 feet is insane.
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There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)
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Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)
#82Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now. They just either disagree on the cause or proportion. Some people just naturally resist hyperbole or sensationalist rhetoric, and I find it very helpful to reframe the argument from doom and gloom and fire and brimstone to something more realistic and grounded: "The longer we put off doing something, the harder a…
I'm a different kind of crotchety.
I think it's real and potentially catastrophic. But I see very little chance of (sufficient) coordinated action to mitigate it.
I.e., I think there's too much temptation for individual countries to pursue a competitive economic or military advantage by letting everyone but themselves make sacrifices.
I hope I'm wrong.
Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not per capita. The US is still the worst large country. If you account for offshoring manufacturing then the US looks even worse. https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-greenhouse-gas-emissions
Why should should per-capita be most important? If country A keeps their population stable and emissions under control, but country B of the same starting population, keeps doubling their population and doubling their emissions, why should country A have an increasingly declined allowance of emissions when they were more responsible in keeping their total emissions down (by not having as many people)?
Because country A just outsourced their emission production to country B.
Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)
#84Reposting a previous comment... What is generally not understood is that our current icehouse phase is rare. 'A "greenhouse Earth" is a period during which no continental glaciers exist anywhere on the planet... Earth has been in a greenhouse state for about 85% of its history. 'Earth is now in an icehouse state, and ice sheets are present in both poles simultaneously... Earth's current icehouse state is known as the…
Finally a human with a context window larger than a few hundred years.
Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
China is rapidly going green.
Is the US even more rapidly going green? https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co2?hideControls=false&... China's emissions were 10 billion tons CO2 in 2017 and have increased every single year to 12.29 billion tons CO2 in 2024. Meanwhile, US decreased from 5.22 to 4.9 in the same time
Both these trends have reversed in 2025.
US emissions icreased by 2.5% https://rhg.com/research/us-greenhouse-gas-emissions-2025/
China's emmisions have decreased by https://e360.yale.edu/digest/china-emissions-decline
Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)
#86Can’t wait for trump and his gestapo to deport the entirety of nasa for telling the truth
Why does NASA even have to do this? Build some cool rockets and get us to mars.
Among other objectives, NASA's 1958 mission statement includes conducting aeronautical and space activities of the US for "the expansion of human knowledge of phenomena in the atmosphere and space".
So: atmospheric climate science directly falls under NASA's responsibilities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Aeronautics_and_Space...
Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)
#87So what are we going to do about China?
We don't have to do anything about China, "China’s CO2 emissions have now been ‘flat or falling’ for 21 months" https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-ha... China is building clean energy for a good chunk of the world, including itself. A better question may be: What is the US going to do to make up for its historical emissions? The US got wealthy by creating far more emissions than China, and all…
Climate reparations now!
Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)
#88Even the crotchetiest and most out-of-touch people I know basically accept that the Earth is warming now. They just either disagree on the cause or proportion. Some people just naturally resist hyperbole or sensationalist rhetoric, and I find it very helpful to reframe the argument from doom and gloom and fire and brimstone to something more realistic and grounded: "The longer we put off doing something, the harder a…
> many of the changes we are talking about don't even really cost us anything
I hear that often, but it's never followed by details about any of the actual changes that are being talked about. The ones I actually hear (especially politicians) advocate for are catastrophically expensive and dubious in their effectiveness. Banning coal or gas-powered cards might (might) be a good idea in the long run, but it definitely does cost us something.
Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)
#89So what are we going to do about China?
We don't have to do anything about China, "China’s CO2 emissions have now been ‘flat or falling’ for 21 months" https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-ha... China is building clean energy for a good chunk of the world, including itself. A better question may be: What is the US going to do to make up for its historical emissions? The US got wealthy by creating far more emissions than China, and all…
>If people in the US try to turn climate action into a blame game, it will end very very poorly for the US.
Pure fantasy. What will happen to the US and who will do it to us?
Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
But POTUS 5 months ago: "If you look back years ago in the 1920s and the 1930s, they said global cooling will kill the world. We have to do something. Then they said global warming will kill the world, but then it started getting cooler. So now they just call it climate change because that way they can't miss. Climate change because if it goes higher or lower, whatever the hell happens, there's climate change. It's t…
> "that have cost their country's fortunes and given those same countries no chance for success." This is a weird statement coming from Trump. I wouldn't think his base would care for improving the lives and economies of other countries, specially undeveloped countries.
He frequently has campaign rallies and press conferences where he makes statements on both sides of the issue, though if the audience is limited he will tailor the message so only the side present hears the argument in their favor. Every post speech interview I've seen and heard from Trump supporters discount every thing he says that they personally disagree with and heartily approve everything he says that they agree with. Somehow he has insulated his own actions/words and his supporters, and it makes it difficult to reason with these supporters when you bring it up to them - it's quite uncanny.