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Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by joering2 »

6510 wrote: post #45
georgemcbay wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is a forced pivot to avoid having to admit failure. It is also a neat way to reset Elon's Very Reliable Prediction Clock. I look forward to hearing about how fully functional Optimus robots will be ready to ship "later this year" for the next 10 years.

I thought this was the greatest product demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R40IDdAkRZM I struggle to imagine what the US version of this intimidating propaganda movie would look like. My mind renders only pictures of square dancing.

This is amazing! I WISH somebody would take 15 seconds of this clip, add China flag in the bottom, then add scratching sounds of a vinyl disc and forward to this, with Felon Musk/American flag:

https://www.reddit.com/r/robotics/comments/1ph3scw/tesla_opt...

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by platevoltage »

hulitu wrote: post #9
CamperBob2 wrote: post #7

Many have argued that Musk's shift to far-right politics is responsible for some of this decline -- and it certainly makes some sense -- but I wonder if the cause and effect are being conflated. If Musk were aware that Tesla was going to lose this much ground due to factors beyond his own mismanagement, including the threat of Chinese imports and a widespread shift away from EVs due to a right-populist sentiment swin…

> but I wonder if the cause and effect are being conflated. Tesla is an ugly car. And they didn't had a new model since at least 10 years.

The Model S looked pretty sleek at one point in time. The Y, X, and that dumpster on wheels are all hideous.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by davidw »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #55
mekdoonggi wrote: post #5

Good. Seems like the sales decline will reach the US eventually too. Even Toyota is coming out with compelling EV products this year. Tesla came from nowhere, developed essentially one world-dominating product (lumping the 3 and Y together), then the CEO basically ruined everything. Imagine Tesla with a "normal" CEO and marketing department. They would have a bunch of different trims and options for the 3/Y, a redesi…

Tesla has a marketing department. It just refuses to talk to anyone except to talk at journalists...and journalists are so desperate to get quotes, they'll put up with it. When Tesla started with the "no marketing department" nonsense, the press should have just stopped quoting them or covering them. Especially given that half the things Musk says are blatant lies.

One of the interesting things you start seeing and then can't stop seeing is "CEO says" journalism, where the whole article is about the CEO saying something and that's newsworthy and there's no real analysis of it or no looking at the track record of the CEO. Just stenography.

It's not limited to this one company, they'll do it with any company that's newsworthy or has a CEO who will generate clicks for their article.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by lnsru »

mentalfist wrote: post #73
VirusNewbie wrote: post #49

My (2019) Tesla has been the most reliable car I've ever owned, but it sure seems like they're not interested in being a car company anymore. Not having turn stalks and the drive selector, making me either pay for internet access or use bluetooth if I want to play spotify or youtube music (which I get for 'free' in cars with CarPlay or Android Auto), making the cybertruck way too big for a garage, discontinuing the m…

That's an uncommon experience. Tesla is a very strong leader for faults, breakage, and costly maintenance/repairs in the 3-5 year old segment. See any European comprehensive car inspection statistics report.

Take the reports with a grain of salt. Tesla does not mandate maintenance. The cars in the reports are the ones who left factory and get checked after 3 years of intensive use without any maintenance. Check the light alignment, check rust in the brakes and check the suspension and the inspection will be fine. Still cheaper than 400-600€ bi-yearly coolant refill from other manufacturers. Plus Tesla has published repair manual which is very strong advantage for me. I am poor and maintain my cars by myself. Maybe I like it too.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by seemaze »

palmotea wrote: post #67
Betelbuddy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a quote from Tesla latest earnings call, at 04 min.. "Because we're really moving into a future that is based on autonomy and so if you're interested in buying a Model S and X, now would be the time to order it, because we expect to wind down S and X production in next quarter and basically stop production of Model S and X next quarter. We'll obviously continue to support the Model S and X programs for as lon…

> but we're gonna take the Model S and X production space in our Fremont factory and convert that into an Optimus factory, which will... with the long-term goal of having 1 million units a year of Optimus robots in the current S/X space in Fremont." I don't know how well that's going to work out for them. I saw these robots ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVX6vq0RSnY ) on the Chinese New Year Gala, and they look wa…

Great. First ram goes through the roof, and now china has kung-fu robots. 2026 is going great.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by rcbdev »

lnsru wrote: post #85
mentalfist wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an uncommon experience. Tesla is a very strong leader for faults, breakage, and costly maintenance/repairs in the 3-5 year old segment. See any European comprehensive car inspection statistics report.

Take the reports with a grain of salt. Tesla does not mandate maintenance. The cars in the reports are the ones who left factory and get checked after 3 years of intensive use without any maintenance. Check the light alignment, check rust in the brakes and check the suspension and the inspection will be fine. Still cheaper than 400-600€ bi-yearly coolant refill from other manufacturers. Plus Tesla has published repai…

> Still cheaper than 400-600€ bi-yearly coolant refill.

You are being scammed.

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by linkjuice4all »

gradus_ad wrote: post #80
Betelbuddy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a quote from Tesla latest earnings call, at 04 min.. "Because we're really moving into a future that is based on autonomy and so if you're interested in buying a Model S and X, now would be the time to order it, because we expect to wind down S and X production in next quarter and basically stop production of Model S and X next quarter. We'll obviously continue to support the Model S and X programs for as lon…

The whole pivot to Optimus is insane. I can understand the market following Elon down all the other paths he randomly skips down but Optimus... Really?? The only way to explain it is it's not being taken seriously but Elon seems to be taking it very seriously...

It's especially strange considering the amount of work that Tesla (the company) put into becoming a car manufacturer which is certainly no easy feat. I'm sure some of the know-how, process, and tooling/supply lines could be transitioned to general purpose robot manufacturing - but why would you build these supply lines and factories just to screw it all up like this?

Re: Tesla Sales Down 55% UK, 58% Spain, 59% Germany, 81% Netherlands, 93% Norway

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Post by blackoil »

mekdoonggi wrote: post #5

Good. Seems like the sales decline will reach the US eventually too. Even Toyota is coming out with compelling EV products this year. Tesla came from nowhere, developed essentially one world-dominating product (lumping the 3 and Y together), then the CEO basically ruined everything. Imagine Tesla with a "normal" CEO and marketing department. They would have a bunch of different trims and options for the 3/Y, a redesi…

> market cap of 400 billion

And hence Musk will be the CEO.

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