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Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Re: Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Post by anonymous_user9 »

delecti wrote: post #71
anonymous_user9 wrote: post #2

Notably, by doing this Discord lied in their initial announcement. They originally said [1] that all processing would be on-device, but that's not true for users subject to this "experiment". 1: https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-...

I don't want to defend Discord, but that's just not true. That announcement did not say all processing would be on-device, only when you use the face scan. > Video selfies for facial age estimation never leave a user’s device > Facial scans never leave your device. Discord and our vendor partners never receive it. Meanwhile they're also clear that uploaded IDs do get sent to "partners": > Quick deletion: Identity doc…

Ah, I assumed that Persona is being used for face scans too. I haven't been able to find a screenshot of the actual flow, but based on this article [1] with a screenshot of the message UK users are receiving, I suspect they are:

>The information you submit will be temporarily stored for up to 7 days, then deleted. For ID document verification, all details are blurred except your photo and date of birth... [emphasis mine]

To me, that implies that Persona is/was doing more than just IDs.

[1] https://www.eurogamer.net/discord-advises-uk-users-that-they...

Re: Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Post by rawgreaze »

api wrote: post #79
JoeDohn wrote: post #75

They did test the water, they will be back at it again. We have seen this over and over. If you use that bloated software, time to move.

It’s a network. You can move but will your community? We are absolute slaves to network effects. How many things do you continue to use even though you hate them because everyone else also continues to use them even though most hate them? Defeating the dragon of the network effect would be a great victory for human empowerment in the 21st century.

>Defeating the dragon of the network effect would be a great victory for human empowerment in the 21st century.

Creating the network effect was the greatest loss we had in the 21st century. We used to be able to use XMPP to talk to Google Hangouts, Facebook Messenger and all sorts, and they took it away, just so you'd have to use their shitty little program instead.

Re: Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Post by phatfish »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #47
uyzstvqs wrote: post #45

Can't we just do this age verification locally on-device? Just some WASM to run a small AI model, which scans face+ID. I know it'll be easier to bypass, but that does not matter. We're trying to stop children, not adults with technical skill.

It's not about age verification but control and digital id.

Doesn't everyone have a digital ID already?

My passport has biometrics, the government knows everything about me already through the tax system which is "digital". All my other interactions with the government are through digital services.

What exactly would a digital ID allow a government to do that it can't already? Apart from solve all the issues with having to provide scans of (my already digital) ID documents to every bank/solicitor/mortgage broker/estate agent/etc i interact with, where in many my personal ID documents probably sit on a company file share or some random persons One Drive.

A government digital ID with a one-time code to complete verification would solve all of this nonsense.

On control, again, what possible super power would a "digital ID" give a government that it doesn’t have already to control you?

Re: Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Post by JPKab »

Hikikomori wrote: post #58
Hikikomori wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lately? "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." 2009 He is just executing on this, and some of religious technocratic nonsense beliefs just leaked a bit.

And should not forget that Garry Tan the ycombinatior CEO attends the same church where Thiel held his Greta antichrist talk.

Garry is a good person and smearing people over their church is a disgusting thing to do.

I am now going to sit here and listen to this talk because I guarantee it's not saying what you think it's saying. And I don't want to listen to it. It's not a topic that interests me. But I guarantee you are completely distorting what was stated in that topic for maximum effect, entirely motivated by left-wing politics.

Re: Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Post by api »

rawgreaze wrote: post #82
api wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a network. You can move but will your community? We are absolute slaves to network effects. How many things do you continue to use even though you hate them because everyone else also continues to use them even though most hate them? Defeating the dragon of the network effect would be a great victory for human empowerment in the 21st century.

>Defeating the dragon of the network effect would be a great victory for human empowerment in the 21st century. Creating the network effect was the greatest loss we had in the 21st century. We used to be able to use XMPP to talk to Google Hangouts, Facebook Messenger and all sorts, and they took it away, just so you'd have to use their shitty little program instead.

Hindsight is 20/20. We didn’t realize just how powerful it would be. Same with addictive stuff like engagement maxxing algorithms and infinite scroll.

Now the new challenge is to figure out how to put those dogs down.

This always happens.

Re: Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Post by JPKab »

mvdtnz wrote: post #15
tjpnz wrote: post #6

Is this the same Peter Thiel who gives lectures on Greta Thunberg being the literal anti-christ?

Not sure why you're being down voted but the answer is yes, it is the same Peter Thiel who gives lectures on Greta Thunberg being the literal anti-christ and if the down voters think you might be exaggerating or misleading them I encourage them to search this up. Edit - I searched to refresh myself, ok he didn't say she was the literal antichrist. He said she's literally a legionnaire for the literal antichrist. I ca…

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Re: Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

thinkingemote wrote: post #26
mvdtnz wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you're being down voted but the answer is yes, it is the same Peter Thiel who gives lectures on Greta Thunberg being the literal anti-christ and if the down voters think you might be exaggerating or misleading them I encourage them to search this up. Edit - I searched to refresh myself, ok he didn't say she was the literal antichrist. He said she's literally a legionnaire for the literal antichrist. I ca…

"yes I'm right. Not sure why you are being downvoted. Do your own research" Does research and now admits that he wasn't right, and understands why he and others were being down voted and hopefully learns from this and moves on. Kudos for the edit and honesty: it's rare to see learning actually happen in fiery threads! I've been in your shoes and learning and change is possible.

I don't know, man. How much of a distinction do you want to make between "literal anti-christ" and "literal legionnaire for the literal anti-christ"?
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