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I love the work of the ArchWiki maintainers

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Re: I love the work of the ArchWiki maintainers

#81

This wiki exemplifies how broken Linux (on desktop) is and it's weird Linux fans ignore this fact.

I'll bite. How does a wiki targeted at users of a specific GNU/Linux distribution, a distribution which has made the express decision to be orientated towards technical users and not provide user-friendly tools for its configuration, exemplify how "Linux" (i.e. any GNU/Linux distribution) is broken on desktop?

(I use Arch btw)

Re: I love the work of the ArchWiki maintainers

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unfortunately there's a trend lately where many newer cli tools don't have a man page. they put up a --help and think it suffices even though there are tools to automatically generate man pages those days

Because installing a man page requires root and a writeable root fs for that matter

> Because installing a man page requires root and a writeable root fs for that matter

That's not true. The user-equivalent of the man pages directory on Linux and BSDs is `~/.local/share/man`. You can have your mandb index it too. You can achieve more complex manpath indexing setups using the `~/.manpath` file.

Re: I love the work of the ArchWiki maintainers

#83

This wiki exemplifies how broken Linux (on desktop) is and it's weird Linux fans ignore this fact.

I agree. Every time I visit the arch wiki or forums for that matter its typically due to a failure of the way the software is.

For example instead of the OS noticing that zstd was not supported, it would always use a zstd compressed initramfs image and would require the user to manually configure a supported compression their kernel supported. I don't understand why they thought it was a good idea to break my install for something that should be easy to do automatically. One could say that there is value in the forum having information on how to fix my system, but this isn't something I should have ever seen in the first place.

https://archlinux.org/news/moving-to-zstandard-images-by-def...

Re: I love the work of the ArchWiki maintainers

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Very useful because the information is almost distribution agnostic as Arch will stick to upstream as much as possible; or at least that's my impression as Debian user reading their wiki.

Also: isn't the Arch wiki the new Gentoo wiki? Because that was the wiki early 2000s and, again, I've never used Gentoo!

Re: I love the work of the ArchWiki maintainers

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I just hope they have robust backups and disaster-recovery plans, as Gentoo Wiki once had a terrible data loss, and it was like the burning of the Alexandria Library, I feel that put the distro to a decline. I don't use Arch (I used Gentoo in those times), but these collaborative knowledge bases are too precious to be lost.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44900319

Re: I love the work of the ArchWiki maintainers

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post #85

Very useful because the information is almost distribution agnostic as Arch will stick to upstream as much as possible; or at least that's my impression as Debian user reading their wiki. Also: isn't the Arch wiki the new Gentoo wiki? Because that was the wiki early 2000s and, again, I've never used Gentoo!

According to my experience, yes, it is. I have used Gentoo (using its wiki to install and configure), then after a few distro hops I was at Arch Linux and the wiki was a blessing and ever since I have found it (>10 years), I never needed anything else. Stuff they have on there applies specifically AND generally. Whereas Gentoo's wiki is usually specific IIRC.

Re: I love the work of the ArchWiki maintainers

#89

I learned linux by using Arch back in the days when pacman -Syu was almost certain to break something and there was a good chance it would break something unique to your install. This was also back in the days when most were not connected to the internet 24/7 and many did not have internet, I updated when I went to the library which was generally a weekly thing but sometimes it be a month or two and the system breaka…

> back in the days when pacman -Syu was almost certain to break something and there was a good chance it would break something unique to your install This was still the case when I switched to arch in like 2016 lol

Not to mention that they broke EAC only a few years ago.

Re: I love the work of the ArchWiki maintainers

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I have started using Arch in 2016 and it was stable back then. Are you describing an earlier era?

Not OP, but used Arch for a while in 2011, and at some point doing an update moved /bin to /usr/bin or something like that and gave me an unbootable system. This was massive inconvenience and it took me many hours to un-hose that system, and I switched to Ubuntu. The Ubuntu became terrible with snaps and other user hostile software, so I switched to PopOS, then I got frustrated with out of date software and Cosmic be…

Also not OP, I gave up Arch around 2011 as well after I wasn't able to mount a USB pendrive at the uni, as I was rushing somewhere. This was embarrassing and actually a serious issue, took some time to fix upstream and finding workaround was also annoying. This is when I gave up on it and never looked back, but I did, indeed, learn all about Linux internals from dailying Arch for 3 or so years.
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