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Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by dashundchen »

convolvatron wrote: post #49
api wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One Trump tweet can destroy a company’s stock price. Trump has amazing power over public companies as the absolute king of the attention economy.

its not just the tweets. this administration came out of the gate swinging with its extortionate demands. it claims the power to redirect, cancel, and append conditions to congressional funding. its has as its disposal all of the departments who ostensibly exist to serve the populace, and use them to file lawsuits, charge people with crimes, remove or establish new regulations or targeted taxes, all in service of wha…

Again and again with the fascists, the accusation of weaponization of government was really a confession of their own crimes.

Same with the Epstein files, same with the accusations of groomer while their ranks are filled with rapists, same with the Jan 6 insurrection, and likely this fall, accusations of election fraud and intimidation.

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Post by embedding-shape »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #40
tehjoker wrote: post #5

All the tech ceos are on the trump train this time around, it was a specific strategy of the trump campaign. Using words like “caved” as though they were pressured and not already aligned with the government is a disservice.

They know what they are doing. To survive as a large entity during this administration you have to kiss the ring. If you don't, you'll get targeted for being 'woke' or whatever. In fact, kissing Trump's ass is more important for success than actually making a good product at this point. I definitely don't think what these CEOs are doing is moral, but it's certainly rational.

No, the matter of fact is that Apple would survive no matter what. But would they (the people involved, not the company, Cook & other executives) make as much money if they went against the administration compared to how much they could make while playing along? Also no, and is why you're seeing people bowing down, they personally make much more money then.

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Post by breppp »

lambdasquirrel wrote: post #80
Tagbert wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The British Government believes it to be secure. That’s why they were asking for a back door.

That only means that the UK government doesn’t have access to the backdoor.

according to the snowden documents it is quite obvious that if the US government had a backdoor then the UK government would have one through five eyes

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Post by bigyabai »

gruez wrote: post #67
amelius wrote: post #12

Including Apple. If it's that easy, how long do we really expect Advanced Data Protection to be free from government backdooring?

>If it's that easy, how long do we really expect Advanced Data Protection to be free from government backdooring? Taking down an app is hardly unprecedented. Forcing companies to add backdoors in secret is, so it's a stretch to think that ADP is compromised.

> Forcing companies to add backdoors in secret is

We have precedent: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...

  Apple has since confirmed in a statement provided to Ars that the US federal government “prohibited” the company “from sharing any information,”

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Post by polairscience »

mktk1001 wrote: post #54
kdheiwns wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point I think the biggest tangible difference between China and the US is that one country has high speed trains and affordable health care and the other has neither.

No one's murdering innocent citizens on the streets of China

Uh.This has happened plenty. It's pretty well known that there's a lot of various abductions/disappearances of people the Chinese govt doesn't like. Including outright deaths in the streets:

https://rsf.org/en/beaten-death-state-security-rsf-shocked-g...

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Post by malfist »

latexr wrote: post #65
tehjoker wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s fair, I don’t think the CEOs are fully aligned culturally with Trump but they are sick of pretending to be liberals that care about other people and they want to make more money.

> I don’t think the CEOs are fully aligned culturally with Trump Does it matter? If all their actions are in support of a regime, does it matter if they secretly don’t agree with it and don’t even say it? Does it matter that your neighbour says they don’t agree with ICE of they still rat you out to them? Ideologies without action aren’t worth much. At this point, we should assume these CEOs are fully on board with an…

In the Nuremberg trails I doubt "but I secretly didn't believe we should kill all the Jews" would have passed muster.

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Post by AngryData »

somenameforme wrote: post #44
tjpnz wrote: post #3

I thought Republicans were for small government and were anti-censorship.

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Are we not allowed to know where cops are operating? I would support all US cops and ICE and any other state sponsored authority to wear GPS and body cameras at all times.

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Post by Aurornis »

trollbridge wrote: post #68

Now I experience doubt when I read this article whether the journalist actually interviewed anybody, or just cut and pasted ChatGPT.

This comment is getting downvoted because it didn’t provide context: Are Technica was caught sharing hallucinated quotes from someone yesterday and they quietly deleted the article when caught: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47013059

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Post by malfist »

Tha_14 wrote: post #70
jmclnx wrote: post #7

What a surprise, IIRC in Hong Kong there was a platform that was fully decentralized. HK protesters used it on their phones during their uprising and China could not block it. Maybe it is time people move to that. Sadly I forgot its name or where to get it. Of course the app stores could block that too. There is always USENET I guess. I wonder if there are apps on Cell Phones that can access USENET and format the pos…

Anything that is P2P E2EE is hard to block by utilizing traditional measures. Personally I use and trust Tox. If you also want anonimity you can pair it with tor.

All apple has to do is remove it from the app store. Doesn't matter how P2P or E2EE it is.
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