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Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

chrisacky wrote: post #78
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a few things: 1) The order from the court was for the UK site only. This makes sense - it was a UK ruling from a UK court which has no jurisdiction in any other countries. There are separate cases in places like Germany. It make no sense for the UK courts to force Apple to make statements in other countries covering rulings made under laws that don't apply there and which may (and in some cases do) contradict ruli…

On your point 3) If I can remember correctly from my law lectures, "judgments" are reserved exclusively for the legal usage (courts, tribunals etc). There is only one correct spelling of "judgment" in the legal sense, everywhere else gives a judgement as to their opinion on a matter, the difference being, that if someone passes a judgment then you know it has come from a legally binding court of law. I would regularl…

Re the spelling of judgment / judgement I apologise and bow to your greater knowledge.

I certainly think it's debatable whether it makes it clear but I suspect the issue is that the court was very precise in what it said had to be included, how it had to be presented and so on, so as long as Apple ticked all those boxes they can say they've complied.

My point on that was really that the requirement was for a simple informational message. The court made no mention that there should be an apology which would be a very different thing.

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by ashleyblackmore »

bruceboughton wrote: post #70
nagrom wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they were truly told to write an apology, then people are down on them because this isn't one. You cannot really apologise for anything without using the words 'sorry' or 'apologise'.

This is B2B. Corporations do not apologise to each other. They may pay each other compensation, if ordered to. Apologies imply feelings, and corporations do not have feelings.

...but corporations are people, and people have feelings! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by takluyver »

rmc wrote: post #77
bakedbeans wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody credits them for inventing the smartphone. They invented the iPhone. Nobody credits them for inventing the mp3 player. They invented the iPod.

For a large percentage of the population, "mp3 player = ipod" and "smartphone = iphone".

An anecdotal example: a couple of years ago, I mentioned to my mother that I had bought an mp3 player. She sounded puzzled for a moment and asked 'is that like an iPod?'

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by k-mcgrady »

mrud wrote: post #26
k-mcgrady wrote: post #16

Is there a reason the OP thinks this is the apology? It isn't named as such, the URL doesn't help, and they don't apologise at all. It's just a summary of their legal battles with Samsung. How has the OP come to the conclusion this is the apology (am I missing something)?

http://www.apple.com/uk/ links to it (at the bottom, the link title is Samsung/Apple UK judgement)

Thanks. Still no obvious signal that is meant to be the apology. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the apology but titling it as such on HN when Apple makes no mention of apology seems like link bait.

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by scotty79 »

smegel wrote: post #27

I don't really get why everyone is so down on Apple on HN (I am a Google/Android user FWIW). Sure they have pursued some questionable patent cases - but it is hard to deny they are one of the pre-eminent creators and makers in the world today - they have been truly innovative and brought massive change to multiple technology streams. They are about as far from being a hoarding patent troll as one could imagine yet th…

> I don't really get why everyone is so down on Apple on HN.

Yeah. Suing everybody around, blocking customers from buying products they want and http://www.5min.com/Video/Apples-Incredible-Great-Best-Gorge...

I wonder why less and less people likes them.

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by Nursie »

v0cab wrote: post #74
Nursie wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could have written the same about MS in the 90s. It's not just that they're suing folks, it's that their actions seem to be deliberately designed to suppress the market and suppress competition. It doesn't feel genuine. And while they do innovate, I don't think they do half as much they're given credit for. They didn't invent the smartphone, nor the mp3 player, yet most people likely think they did.

> their actions seem to be deliberately designed to suppress the market and suppress competition But then why aren't people on HN down on Samsung in the same way?

Because it didn't seem to be Samsung that launched a war to get Apple's products banned, it seemed to be the other way around.

I agree it is now an all-out war and neither side is going to come away clean, but in the most trivial sense 'They started it!'

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by aes256 »

rmc wrote: post #76
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a few things: 1) The order from the court was for the UK site only. This makes sense - it was a UK ruling from a UK court which has no jurisdiction in any other countries. There are separate cases in places like Germany. It make no sense for the UK courts to force Apple to make statements in other countries covering rulings made under laws that don't apply there and which may (and in some cases do) contradict ruli…

from a UK court Pedantically, it appears to be from a English & Welsh court, not UK.

Technically any court with jurisdiction over England and Wales is also "a UK court", in the same sense as you would refer to a German court as a "European court".

It's simply describing the general location within which a court resides, not precisely demarcating its jurisdiction.

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by aes256 »

coob wrote: post #60
chrisacky wrote: post #55

This isn't even an apology in the slightest. It's only on the UK site as well. (I've checked .de .com .fr and it's no where to be seen, which makes sense if you are Apple). However, if they are going to display it only in UK, then they should have at least spelt "judgment" correctly. They use "/uk/legal-judgement/" (Over in UK there is only a single "e" not two). Anyway, totally not an apology . It looks more like an…

Is a forced apology ever really an apology? I don't see the point in forcing it. Edit: Apparently apple were never ordered to make an 'apology'. They were ordered to make a 'publicity order'. They used the EXACT wording[1] as ordered by the court, as well as quotes from a judge in the matter. http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2012/1339.html#para8...

It's not about sincerity, it's about setting the record straight. During the course of these court proceedings, the allegations against Samsung will have been widely publicised.

Such allegations can cause real damage to a company's reputation, and a publicity order publicising the judgment of the court that the allegations were false is a measure to undo some of that harm.

Re: Apple posts its UK apology to Samsung

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Post by hellweaver666 »

russgray wrote: post #67
lunchladydoris wrote: post #34

I wonder if the US office had any say in how this is written. As someone who has been a guest in the UK for nearly a decade, to me this reads like someone, as the British say, taking the piss.

As someone who was born in the UK and has lived here for all of his 35 years, I can confirm that this is someone taking the piss.

Fellow Brit, definitely someone taking the piss.
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