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"Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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Post by sdellis »

Aromasin wrote: post #62
SimianSci wrote: post #28

Seems to be an extension of something we are dealing with across multiple parts of many societies. Monetary pursuit has become a guiding principle for alot of people, and its been revealed that such thinking is leading to major societal consequences. The current Technocratic idealization of efficiency by those in powerful positions is missing the second order consequences of financializing everything, and it appears…

Michael Sandel's "What Money Can't Buy: The Moral Limits of Markets" covers it quite well. Markets create unfairness by systematically disadvantaging the poor when money becomes necessary to obtain certain goods or quality of goods. Market values corrupt non-market spheres by changing the meaning and value of goods being exchanged (e.g., paying for grades undermines intrinsic desire to learn). Monetary incentives cro…

Monetary incentives are the foundations of Capitalism. There are only two ways that ethics might get in the way of their profits.

The first is government regulation. We saw lots of deregulation of oversight over the ten years before the 2008 financial crisis. None of the ethically compromised C-suite folks went to jail for their behavior because it was suddenly not a crime. Sometimes you have regulation, but you don't have enforcement of the regulations. This is what we get when the government is comprised of or controlled by capitalists. It's called fascism.

The second is public boycott or revolt. Could the new Target CEO be the result of the recent boycott? Same with Starbucks? Has anyone actually bought a Tesla in the past year? The big tech folks are bending over backwards to hide the fact that they have no real AI business model, making it a gigantic bubble that is about to burst. There is a national frenzy that no one is reporting on people ditching their subscriptions. We are going to see affordability get worse very quickly. It will be interesting to see what happens as more and more people start tightening their purse strings, whether by choice or necessity.

Re: "Hate brings views": Confessions of a London fake news TikToker

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ticulatedspline wrote: post #68

Man what a PoS this guy was. he started as a lame re-poster >His head was turned by the substantial sum of money: “I told my wife, wow, it’s £1,000.” >Then, to his annoyance, TikTok immediately deleted his account because he was just stealing other people’s videos and reposting them. and dove straight into fabricating hate, and worst of all after directly confronted seems to literally have no concept of what he was d…

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Post by jbm »

ticulatedspline wrote: post #68

Man what a PoS this guy was. he started as a lame re-poster >His head was turned by the substantial sum of money: “I told my wife, wow, it’s £1,000.” >Then, to his annoyance, TikTok immediately deleted his account because he was just stealing other people’s videos and reposting them. and dove straight into fabricating hate, and worst of all after directly confronted seems to literally have no concept of what he was d…

These people are everywhere.

Instagram serves me antisemetic content consistently with no way for me to downvote it. Likewise when it tries to rage bait me with islamophobic shit.

I do not engage or upvote other than taking screenshots and reporting. At this point I just don't open Instagram except for messages from friends

It is incredible that they literally fund selfish assholes to do this. What worse is that they will not reap the vile harvest.

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Post by thomassmith65 »

lordnacho wrote: post #64
thomassmith65 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pseudonymity is sufficient to curb most antisocial behaviour on social media. A site operator doesn't need to know a malicious user's name but the operator should be able to permanently block someone. It isn't necessary for anyone to be the arbiter of truth, but some body should be the arbiter of good taste. That someone doesn't need to be the government; it can be the community. Since good taste is subjective, it sh…

It's not that easy to block someone. It's easy to block a particular account, sure. But there are now people who purposefully make a bunch of accounts to spread lies. > that unless social media has a mechanism to promote civilised behaviour We need more Dangs. He is maybe the major reason this forum is still decent. Tasteful moderation is really hard, I'd say the vast majority of Reddit subs don't have good moderatio…

Anonymity leads to the multiple accounts issue. Pseudonymity addresses that. Eg: "We don't know the name of the person behind this identifier in real life, but we see we blocked them last year, so we will deny their request to open a new account with us"

You and I agree the moderation here on HN is fantastic. There is a minority of people who would prefer HN allow spam, bigotry, calls to violence, revenge porn, snuff content, etc. A large community - a nation, for example - should have the ability to 'tyrannize' an antisocial minority into enforcing some base level of standards. For example, at a minimum, to prevent a site operator from showing those types of content to users who do not specifically request them.

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Post by abnercoimbre »

sdellis wrote: post #81
Aromasin wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Michael Sandel's "What Money Can't Buy: The Moral Limits of Markets" covers it quite well. Markets create unfairness by systematically disadvantaging the poor when money becomes necessary to obtain certain goods or quality of goods. Market values corrupt non-market spheres by changing the meaning and value of goods being exchanged (e.g., paying for grades undermines intrinsic desire to learn). Monetary incentives cro…

Monetary incentives are the foundations of Capitalism. There are only two ways that ethics might get in the way of their profits. The first is government regulation. We saw lots of deregulation of oversight over the ten years before the 2008 financial crisis. None of the ethically compromised C-suite folks went to jail for their behavior because it was suddenly not a crime. Sometimes you have regulation, but you don'…

> Sometimes you have regulation, but you don't have enforcement of the regulations.

Indeed. Let us quote the Dune books (since they're trending, and for good reason!):

"Good government never depends upon laws, but upon the personal qualities of those who govern. The machinery of government is always subordinate to the will of those who administer that machinery. The most important element of government, therefore, is the method of choosing leaders. -Law and Governance (The Spacing Guild)"

And if you would let me indulge one more:

"Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class: whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy. -Politics as Repeat Phenomenon (Bene Gesserit Training Manual)"

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Post by FatherOfCurses »

rapatel0 wrote: post #52

I agree with this entire article, except that it's not just a right-wing phenomenon. Both sides distort the truth for financial gain and from a quantitative POV it's not a false equivalence.

To quote you from an earlier comment of yours: "This is exactly the sensational take (devoid of nuance and information) that we should collectively push back against."

The left has been traditionally anti-capitalist and in favor of improving rights and living conditions. Who on the left is gaining financially from distorting the truth to the level of someone like Larry Ellison, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, the Koch Brothers, or Jeff Bezos?

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Post by LorenPechtel »

Aromasin wrote: post #62
SimianSci wrote: post #28

Seems to be an extension of something we are dealing with across multiple parts of many societies. Monetary pursuit has become a guiding principle for alot of people, and its been revealed that such thinking is leading to major societal consequences. The current Technocratic idealization of efficiency by those in powerful positions is missing the second order consequences of financializing everything, and it appears…

Michael Sandel's "What Money Can't Buy: The Moral Limits of Markets" covers it quite well. Markets create unfairness by systematically disadvantaging the poor when money becomes necessary to obtain certain goods or quality of goods. Market values corrupt non-market spheres by changing the meaning and value of goods being exchanged (e.g., paying for grades undermines intrinsic desire to learn). Monetary incentives cro…

One objection here: pay-for-sterilization doesn't match with the rest of these because this is treating it solely as a cost to the woman, rather than recognizing that there's a benefit in not bringing a child into a horrible life.

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Post by kubb »

ticulatedspline wrote: post #68

Man what a PoS this guy was. he started as a lame re-poster >His head was turned by the substantial sum of money: “I told my wife, wow, it’s £1,000.” >Then, to his annoyance, TikTok immediately deleted his account because he was just stealing other people’s videos and reposting them. and dove straight into fabricating hate, and worst of all after directly confronted seems to literally have no concept of what he was d…

I would say about 20% of people are like that. Total disregard for common good, maximal selfishness.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

legitster wrote: post #47

I know a lot of people who watch this kind of garbage and find it very convincing. The minute you add a video component, it tricks people into thinking they are seeing something raw and firsthand. We're all so worried about the effects of AI generated video (with good reason), but the truth is that DIP (Deceptive imagery persuasion) is unbelievably easy and cheap to do anywhere. You can take an innocuous video of a t…

Exactly--we don't need AI video for the problem.

I've watched it happening again and again. Deceptive image that people want to believe, they won't listen when contradictions are pointed out. And they forget that anyone even pointed out the problem. Few people seem to get it that when there's a thousand bad proofs of something it's probably false--and, for those that do, there's the opposite: present a thousand bad proofs of something true.

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