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Irish man with valid US work permit held in ICE detention for five months

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Re: Irish man with valid US work permit held in ICE detention for five months

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bussiness can be lawfully owned by his US native wife. There are possibilities, but as you say, the article is lacking.

People from other countries can own US companies even if they've never been to the US.

It's perversely hilarious to see people supporting fascism for its attacking other individuals, and then demonstrating zero awareness of how little regulation applies to capital crossing borders. It's a crab bucket, alright.

Re: Irish man with valid US work permit held in ICE detention for five months

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Why is this flagged? As a former foreign TN-1 visa holder, this sort of thing is (a) topically relevant to me, _qua_ software engineer, and (b) technically interesting.

What is the valence of deciding that 'curiosity' (the HN gold standard for relevance) does not include topics like this?

HN, blink twice if you can hear me; the billionaires seem to be foisting a worldview on us through you.

Re: Irish man with valid US work permit held in ICE detention for five months

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someones potential illegal presence justifies ICE to massively overstep any legal due process and break laws, then by definition you are ok if somehow Democrates took over the DHS when they got in power, and used the premise of anti-domestic terrorism to illegally detain any person associated with MAGA for any reason and let them starve/die in prison.

No but is ICE 100% breaking the law or just norms? Immigration law is such a mess and key reason we are here. For past 30 years, a lot of immigration "law" has been Executive Branch keeping a broken system going by just going with vibes. Now we have Executive Branch deciding to 100% change the vibes and system is coming apart in real time. Reading over court filings, there is collision between two laws. First one is,…

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Re: Irish man with valid US work permit held in ICE detention for five months

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We have seen many stories like this. Some doubt the authenticity, but what is evident is that these things are happening again and again with impunity. Perhaps you don't think the situation is bad enough, or the details are exaggerated. However, the fact that a man can be pulled of the street despite having legal status should be alarming. You don't need to care about the Irishman, but you should care about justice.

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> The reality is the federal gov has been aggressive in its enforcement for decades. ICE took a break during the Obama and Biden years for some reason.

ICE was created in 2002 (24 years ago). "The Obama and Biden years" make up a full half of ICE's existence.

Re: Irish man with valid US work permit held in ICE detention for five months

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post #82

Why is this flagged? As a former foreign TN-1 visa holder, this sort of thing is (a) topically relevant to me, _qua_ software engineer, and (b) technically interesting. What is the valence of deciding that 'curiosity' (the HN gold standard for relevance) does not include topics like this? HN, blink twice if you can hear me; the billionaires seem to be foisting a worldview on us through you.

The idea that the US operates under a system of laws is now too controversial for HN.

Re: Irish man with valid US work permit held in ICE detention for five months

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It's never been about immigration.

But what it is about? What's the end game in detaining lawful workers?

The end game?

It is a salve for the status wound the dimished social and economic station poor white males found themselves in after the civil rights act and the deindustrialization.

It assumes that "I deserve the benefits I or my family once had because I see someone else that now has them."

It sees the social and economic territory as fundamental limited and wants to secure a living space within them.

And it does so by binding to the state and using the state to create that void so that they can regain what they feel was lost.

It must feel amazing, like psychic fentanyl to see what's going down.

Re: Irish man with valid US work permit held in ICE detention for five months

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even with some co-mingling of facts, is 5 months detention still proportionate? That’s the crux of it.

My opinion is probably not but this is ultimately a political conversation. The article is extremely light on details but fact he doesn't have a Green Card/Lawful Permanent Resident yet would indicate that at some point of his time in United States, he was illegally present, probably for a while. Sure, he's on path, MAYBE (that's up to immigration courts), to legal status but he's not quite there yet and it's one of…

> Sure, he's on path, MAYBE (that's up to immigration courts), to legal status but he's not quite there yet and it's one of those "Are we going to forgive past transgressions?"

For a productive member of society? Absolutely, bring him in and let him stay.

There are absolutely some immigrants who should be deported for violent crimes and likewise, but they are a tiny minority of immigrants. So when you set quotas far above that, they start rounding up productive members of society to fill the quotas and ignoring the violent criminals because it’s easier to arrest parents and children.

Re: Irish man with valid US work permit held in ICE detention for five months

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No way LA Olympics can happen Right now ICE hasn't opened any of their human warehouse "internment camps" and their quota is "only" 3000 souls per day Now scale that out 1,000 more days and predict what's going down Every tourist will be a viable target, there are no consequences for arresting people with paperwork, it just meets quota Heck they could be grabbing athletes, there were some events this year in US where…

I'm still trying to figure out the justification of ICE operating in foreign countries. Are there illegal immigrants in Italy? This is not about immigration.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7007390/2026/01/30/ice-wint...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/at-winter-olympics-pr...

Re: Irish man with valid US work permit held in ICE detention for five months

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Per article he owns a business. Usually a pre-Green-Card work permit doesn't allow that (you need a GC to own a business). This article is an example of sophisticated co-mingling of facts and omissions, designed to obfuscate the context.

This is not true. You do not need to be a US resident to register a company, and anyone own shares in a company. There are a variety of visa options, and ways to navigate the process that will work.

I realize this is complicated,

I didn't say you needed to be a US resident to register a company.

I said that most pre-GC work-permits (e.g. H1B) don't allow you to own a US-based business. If you're here on a work-permit, they (the govt.) expect you to be an employee of your sponsor, they don't want you to start a business.

To your point,

one can be an investor in a US company without having a US visa/residence/work-permit. Although, to open a business without living in the US, only a handful of states allow this (e.g., Delaware, Wyoming, Nevada).

However, once again, if you are in the US on a work-permit, you need to follow the rules of the work-permit. The rules applicable to non-citizens who are not living in the US on a work-permit may be different.

Re: Irish man with valid US work permit held in ICE detention for five months

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Per article he owns a business. Usually a pre-Green-Card work permit doesn't allow that (you need a GC to own a business). This article is an example of sophisticated co-mingling of facts and omissions, designed to obfuscate the context.

The bussiness can be lawfully owned by his US native wife. There are possibilities, but as you say, the article is lacking.

If we are talking hypotheticals here, anything can be possible. Subject could be an illegitimate direct descendent of Thomas Jefferson, which would make this entire case uniquely newsworthy.
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