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European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by cge »

iknowstuff wrote: post #49
stock_toaster wrote: post #17

zulip seems to me like it would be a better solution to me (open source, self hostible, familiar paradigm, etc), but then again, I think _anything_ would be better than teams... so more power to them!

France’s government uses Matrix. Presumably a nice perk to be able to talk to them via federation

I'm not sure if it ended up being used this way, but if I recall correctly, when that was being initially implemented, federation was actually a core feature: different agencies / municipalities / etc could have their own servers and control their own data and accounts, but inter-agency conversations and rooms would be well-supported, along with each agency retaining a copy of the rooms on their own servers.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by Matl »

uyzstvqs wrote: post #47

This does not bode well. Matrix is honestly not good, as someone who has tried to use it. It's slow, janky, often unstable, and poorly standardized. My suggestion: https://threema.com/en/products/work (hosted) or https://zulip.com/ (OSS self-hosted).

While I don't doubt your experience, I've been running Conduit[0] for a while now to great success (a lot simpler to configure than Synapse).

I don't think it's a fact that Matrix is not good. For MS Teams? It's pretty close to a fact.

0 - https://conduit.rs

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by pseudalopex »

Arathorn wrote: post #80
pseudalopex wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anyway, the first goal listed in this project was to move to European sovereign solutions so Zulip failed at the first hurdle. Element Creations Ltd and The Matrix.org Foundation CIC are UK companies.

Element Software SARL and Element Software GmbH however are not. In practice I believe it's Element Software GmbH providing the European Commission deployment of ESS. (Both are owned by the UK topco, but at the current rate we might flip one of them to be the topco instead).

Subsidiaries mean nothing. Microsoft have EU subsidiaries also. And might means might not.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by markush_ »

Arathorn wrote: post #72
blitzar wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Element is buggy Someone should tell the CEO/CTO of Element

Speaking as the CEO/CTO of Element... the classic Element apps on mobile were buggy, thanks to being a ~10 year old codebase with no shared code between platforms and effectively the 1st generation Matrix client. Which is why we replaced them over the last few years with Element X, with all the heavy lifting shared between iOS & Android via matrix-rust-sdk (effectively a 3rd gen Matrix SDK). That said, 70% of our use…

It’s very cool and inspiring to see the CEO posting here. Keep up the amazing work!

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by drnick1 »

uyzstvqs wrote: post #47

This does not bode well. Matrix is honestly not good, as someone who has tried to use it. It's slow, janky, often unstable, and poorly standardized. My suggestion: https://threema.com/en/products/work (hosted) or https://zulip.com/ (OSS self-hosted).

> Mobile notifications for organizations with up to 10 users

Why does the self-hosted edition have this restriction? If the software is truly OSS, the limit could be trivially patched. But this kind of restriction just does not inspire much confidence in the project to be honest.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by lstodd »

drnick1 wrote: post #86
uyzstvqs wrote: post #47

This does not bode well. Matrix is honestly not good, as someone who has tried to use it. It's slow, janky, often unstable, and poorly standardized. My suggestion: https://threema.com/en/products/work (hosted) or https://zulip.com/ (OSS self-hosted).

> Mobile notifications for organizations with up to 10 users Why does the self-hosted edition have this restriction? If the software is truly OSS, the limit could be trivially patched. But this kind of restriction just does not inspire much confidence in the project to be honest.

Because mobile notifications require integration with operators and cost money.

This is not about the ones that are pushed over IP, this is about mobile push.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by pseudalopex »

Macha wrote: post #76
pseudalopex wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anyway, the first goal listed in this project was to move to European sovereign solutions so Zulip failed at the first hurdle. Element Creations Ltd and The Matrix.org Foundation CIC are UK companies.

The UK is in Europe. Brexit didn't float the country out several hundred miles.

The Declaration for European Digital Sovereignty defined digital sovereignty as the EU and its Member States' ability to act autonomously and to freely choose their own solutions, while reaping the benefits of collaboration with global partners, when possible. The UK is not the EU or a member state.

Part of Russia is in Europe. Do you believe Russian products were considered?

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by parchley »

troyvit wrote: post #52
Teever wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key is the money. I’ve used matrix for years, ran my own federated server for a while. I’ve been critical of the user experience and issues with how it’s handled by the matrix team before but I acknowledge that by and large these problems can be fixed with money. Big players need to put their big boy pants on and throw a couple coins from their farcically large coin purse and they can drive a stake through the wr…

And this is the part I hope Europe gets. They don't have nearly as much money to throw at Matrix as Microsoft can throw at Teams, but they do have massive resources, and I bet that since Matrix doesn't have many of the same shitty KPIs as Slack and Teams, those resources can go much further.

Are you saying that Microsoft is more wealthy than all of “Europe”? And surely you must mean the EU.

The money needed to improve matrix is nothing compared to what is already being spent on Microsoft products.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by dpc_01234 »

Ylpertnodi wrote: post #78
simfree wrote: post #50

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It works faster & better than Signal Desktop.

Genuinely surprised at this - I've never heard of signal desktop not being fast, or good. Works a1 for me.

Signal Desktop is having its db corrupted every other time I launch it, and wants me to reconnect to the phone. The UX is OKish.
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