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CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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Feels very short sighted, the Factbook is a great example of low cost soft power.

One of Trump administration's main goal is to destroy US soft power

I agree, well mostly.

The administration is dispensing with the institutions of soft power. I don't think it's the main goal so much as a consequence of their worldview. Soft power is essentially worthless to people who have no interest in maintaining a facade of international cooperation.

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post #24

Obviously, facts do not play a big role in the current government's world view.

Truly dark times when we can't even trust the CIA anymore.

The CIA was formed in 1947 and the first known controversy was in 1953. And has a whole list of controversies since then. From giving citizens LSD, wiretapping citizens, to supporting Central American cocaine distribution. And this is where you draw the line on trustworthiness? Lol

Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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post #28

Unfortunate. So many essays that I wrote in school cited The World Facebook as a source. I'm worried that the death of these easily accessible sources will push more and more pupils into relying on Wikipedia or even worse: AI. Being critical of what you see online and finding facts yourself is crucial to digital literacy.

"Facebook" :)

Oh wow, didn't at all notice that while typing lol. I guess my swipe-to-type skills aren't as good as I thought they were

Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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post #56

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Are we remembering the same Factbook? It had summary statistics for every country and some brief blurbs about their history, climate, economy, etc. Strictly speaking yeah it generated some legitimacy to publish a resource like this and I find it hard to believe the CIA can't scrape a few quarters together to keep it running, but most of it's value is sentimental.

Soft power includes positive perception. Every time someone learns that GPS is completely paid for by the American government and then freely available to the rest of the world, that shapes perception. The Facebook being quoted by so many school kids worldwide was a cheap softening of how the world perceived the CIA and America. Now how valuable that is isn’t clear, but when something is that cheap it doesn’t take mu…

We have Hollywood and spy movies/series now.

Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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post #24

Obviously, facts do not play a big role in the current government's world view.

Truly dark times when we can't even trust the CIA anymore.

This is a good joke, but it's also true that the whole charade of trying to look "institutional" and "fact-based" was a pretty decent way to go about pursuing the US agenda. "Hey we are the good guys, we show you real numbers" was a good line to push, and it could often show up the opposition as cranks and liars.

Nowadays, nobody even pretends to not be a liar, from any side. There is no debate that even attempts to look at the facts - it's vibes all the way down and fuck you if you don't agree, only money and guns matter. In the long run, this can't hold.

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post #63

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> Unfortunate. So many essays that I wrote in school cited The World Facebook as a source. A source of propaganda? There's nothing the CIA does without political motivation.

The Factbook has always been widely regarded as a reliable source of information.

I would hope that most people do understand that the CIA is a heavily biased source to use on information on other countries.. like wtf?

Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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I remember this from literally 20 years ago. Maybe the traffic made it not worth the cost? And 'soft power'? Like lying about stats and using it for propaganda? Otherwise its just objective and someone else can do the work. For some reason I never attributed it to the US or CIA.

“Soft power” refers usually to credibility. The point of the Factbook is to be a credible public resource for an entity that would otherwise not have much.

Credibility is not what soft power means, though they are related. Power is the ability to get other people to act in your interest. Hard power is when that is done through immediate, direct economic or military coercion. Soft power is everything else.

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Factbook has always been widely regarded as a reliable source of information.

I would hope that most people do understand that the CIA is a heavily biased source to use on information on other countries.. like wtf?

Heavily biased sources can still provide useful facts, if you're careful.

For example, the IDF now accepts Hamas's death toll estimates after decrying them as inflated for years. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p...

Re: CIA to Sunset the World Factbook

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post #83

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Truly dark times when we can't even trust the CIA anymore.

The CIA was formed in 1947 and the first known controversy was in 1953. And has a whole list of controversies since then. From giving citizens LSD, wiretapping citizens, to supporting Central American cocaine distribution. And this is where you draw the line on trustworthiness? Lol

You and sarcasm should get better acquainted.
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