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I miss thinking hard

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Re: I miss thinking hard

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Post by keyle »

joseangel_sc wrote: post #68
keyle wrote: post #63

I don't get it. I think just as hard, I type less. I specify precisely and I review. If anything, all we've changed is working at a higher level. The product is the same. But these people just keep mixing things up like "wow I got a ferrari now, watch it fly off the road!" Yeah so you got a tools upgrade; it's faster, it's more powerful. Keep it on the road or give up driving! We went from auto completing keywords, t…

except the thing does not work as expected and it just makes you worse not better

Like I said that's temporary. It's janky and wonky but it's a stepping stone.

Just look at image generation. Actually factually look at it. We went from horror colours vomit with eyes all over, to 6 fingers humans, to pretty darn good now.

It's only time.

Re: I miss thinking hard

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Post by rcvassallo83 »

Thinking harder than I have in a long time with AI assisted coding.

As I'm providing context I get to think about what an ideal approach would look like and often dive into a research session to analyze pros and cons of various solutions.

I don't use agents much because it's important to see how a component I just designed fits into the larger codebase. That experience provides insights on what improvements I need to make and what to build next.

The time I've spent thinking about the composability, cohesiveness, and ergonomics of the code itself have really paid off. The codebase is a joy to work in, easy to maintain and extend.

The LLMs have helped me focus my cognitive bandwidth on the quality and architecture instead of the tedious and time consuming parts.

Re: I miss thinking hard

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Post by [deleted] »

joseangel_sc wrote: post #68
keyle wrote: post #63

I don't get it. I think just as hard, I type less. I specify precisely and I review. If anything, all we've changed is working at a higher level. The product is the same. But these people just keep mixing things up like "wow I got a ferrari now, watch it fly off the road!" Yeah so you got a tools upgrade; it's faster, it's more powerful. Keep it on the road or give up driving! We went from auto completing keywords, t…

except the thing does not work as expected and it just makes you worse not better

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Re: I miss thinking hard

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Post by beebmam »

joseangel_sc wrote: post #68
keyle wrote: post #63

I don't get it. I think just as hard, I type less. I specify precisely and I review. If anything, all we've changed is working at a higher level. The product is the same. But these people just keep mixing things up like "wow I got a ferrari now, watch it fly off the road!" Yeah so you got a tools upgrade; it's faster, it's more powerful. Keep it on the road or give up driving! We went from auto completing keywords, t…

except the thing does not work as expected and it just makes you worse not better

Comments like these are why I don't browse HN nearly ever anymore

Re: I miss thinking hard

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Post by tired-turtle »

keyle wrote: post #63

I don't get it. I think just as hard, I type less. I specify precisely and I review. If anything, all we've changed is working at a higher level. The product is the same. But these people just keep mixing things up like "wow I got a ferrari now, watch it fly off the road!" Yeah so you got a tools upgrade; it's faster, it's more powerful. Keep it on the road or give up driving! We went from auto completing keywords, t…

> We're all Linus Torvalds now.

So...where's your OS and SCM?

I get your point that wetware stills matter, but I think it's a bit much to contend that more than a handful of people (or everyone) is on the level of Linus Torvalds now that we have LLMs.

Re: I miss thinking hard

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Post by leecommamichael »

keyle wrote: post #81
joseangel_sc wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

except the thing does not work as expected and it just makes you worse not better

Like I said that's temporary. It's janky and wonky but it's a stepping stone. Just look at image generation. Actually factually look at it. We went from horror colours vomit with eyes all over, to 6 fingers humans, to pretty darn good now. It's only time.

Why is image generation the same as code generation?

Re: I miss thinking hard

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Post by utopiah »

Pre-processed food consumer complains about not cooking anymore. /s

... OK I guess. I mean sorry but if that's revelation to you, that by using a skill less you hone it less, you were clearly NOT thinking hard BEFORE you started using AI. It sure didn't help but the problem didn't start then.

Re: I miss thinking hard

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Post by ggm »

A lot of productive thinking happens when asleep, in the shower, in flow walking or cycling or rowing.

It's hard to rationalise this as billable time, but they pay for outcome even if they act like they pay for 9-5 and so if I'm thinking why I like a particular abstraction, or see analogies to another problem, or begin to construct dialogues with mysel(ves|f) about this, and it happens I'm scrubbing my back (or worse) I kind of "go with the flow" so to speak.

Definitely thinking about the problem can be a lot better than actually having to produce it.

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