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Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

ThatMedicIsASpy wrote: post #44
OsamaJaber wrote: post #5

The real issue was never AI in Windows It was AI with no clear user benefit. A Copilot button in Notepad doesn't solve a problem anyone has Good to see them pulling back, but the test will be whether the features they keep actually earn their place in the workflow instead of just being there because someone had a KPI to hit

Windows 10 searching the web started it all for me - not AI. Followed by constantly changing/moving the option on how to disable it. Use Edge, Onedrive, help finish setting up your PC (by logging in), constant disrespect of me the user. W11 local accounts only with terminal hacks sealed the deal along with valves contributions to linux.

The dumbification of Control Panel to Settings was one of the factors for me.

I'm not sure if Control Panel is still available, hidden away somewhere, but I've since moved on to pastures that only seen to get greener when compared with the Microsoft Windows paddock. They're somehow finding new shades of brown on a monthly basis.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

Shank wrote: post #2

> It appears this moment of pushback has resonated with internal teams: According to people familiar with Microsoft’s plans, the company is now reevaluating its AI strategy on Windows 11 and plans changes to streamline or even remove certain AI features where they don’t make sense. Obviously this is a complete failure of governance. The very first thing they should have considered was whether or not these features ma…

>Taste comes from knowing what not to build.

Jobs was correct when he said that Microsoft has no taste.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by QuadmasterXLII »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #28
QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pain of ripping this all out properly is likely too high. Ever since they got the delicious taste of white-labelling chromium instead of fixing ie, another way has been looking better and better: windows 13 or 14 will just be a linux distro

> The pain of ripping this all out properly is likely too high. That is just completely illogical and betrays a complete lack of understanding of how Windows works. Most problems people have with Windows are in the user mode, and not in the kernel. The pain of reverting straightforward UI/UX/vendor-provided application code that is probably version-controlled and tagged for specific historic Windows releases is 'too…

My comment was meant to be an old fogey criticism of giving up on having in-house browser talent and instead just white-labelling chromium, but clearly that's not how it was taken. Another lesson for me in writing clearly (no sarcasm on the internet!), but the last thousand haven't stuck so I'm not terribly optimistic about this one

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

watermelon0 wrote: post #75

I don't like this. Bad user experience with AI and general enshitification of Windows was the push that many people needed to at least try Linux, and for companies to take Linux a bit more serious as the desktop platform.

I would also cheer on Microsoft to accelerate Windows into an immovable object.

Can they go back and restart from Windows 7?

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by fredoralive »

gertrunde wrote: post #74
pixelpoet wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Office brand is literally gone, they renamed it to "Microsoft Copilot 365 app". Check https://office.com

That's not really what happened... https://www.theverge.com/tech/856149/microsoft-365-office-re... tl;dr : the website formerly known as office.com that was a portal for accessing a bunch of stuff changed name to "Microsoft 365" in 2022, and then again more recently (adding the copilot bit). Edit: Although the horror show that is Microsoft product naming in that area left the door wide open for this confusion.

Replacing Office with Microsoft 365 as the brand is still stupid. I was messing with Windows 11 a while back pre Copilot, and in the start menu was a pre installed spam link for “Microsoft 365 (Office)”. The fact they had to put the old brand in parentheses at the end should have been a hint they’re doing something stupid.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by joe_mamba »

Sharlin wrote: post #52
QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pain of ripping this all out properly is likely too high. Ever since they got the delicious taste of white-labelling chromium instead of fixing ie, another way has been looking better and better: windows 13 or 14 will just be a linux distro

Unlike IE, the NT kernel was never bad and is still (presumably) in a pretty good shape. It's the userland that's gone insane. Someone should just port the Windows 7 shell to the newest kernel and call it a day.

>Ever since they got the delicious taste of white-labelling chromium instead of fixing ie

What exactly was wrong with Edge Legacy(not IE) based on their own engine that they need to fix, and why was Chromium a sweet taste?

AFAIk Edge Legacy was kicking ass in all benchmarks. Their only achilles heel was Google messing up Youtube and G-apps to break they way they got displayed on Edge LEgacy forcing users to switch to Chrome.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by kakacik »

chii wrote: post #27
pixelpoet wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The question Microsoft should ask themselves is why they built them in the first place It seems like everyone except MS themselves knows why: they got tunnel vision from Azure and AI, and completely forgot about what actually made them successful. Hell they even burnt down one of the most famous brands in the world, MS Office, for zero reason other than to try and whitewash their Copilot name. The marketing guys wh…

> The PMs are completely asleep at the wheel or, everyone has career aspirations for which they need to demonstrate impact, relevance and in shipping products. Since the current hype is AI, making and being part of the AI hype means career advancement (at the time).

Well if its done in a dumb-as-a-fuck hostile style that whole world complaints for years, such effort and PM is utter failure and their CV should be tarnished with this for next 2 decades. And its up to us as a IT community to make it happen.

They harmed massively their own company, and failed at the most core reason why they were hired - add long term value to the company.

Its a bit the equivalent of architect building huge bridge that then falls, no souls harmed. Such person would have issue finding any other work. Lets do the same, name and shame shouldnt be that hard.

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by caminanteblanco »

t1234s wrote: post #69

For people who work in very classified/secure environments (designing weapons systems, rev eng UFO's, etc...) does M$ offer some version of windows without all of the AI crap and bloat?

I think the windows 11 IOT LTSC release is what you're looking for

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-...

Re: Microsoft is walking back Windows 11's AI overload

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Post by fredoralive »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #71
OsamaJaber wrote: post #5

The real issue was never AI in Windows It was AI with no clear user benefit. A Copilot button in Notepad doesn't solve a problem anyone has Good to see them pulling back, but the test will be whether the features they keep actually earn their place in the workflow instead of just being there because someone had a KPI to hit

Notepad had been perfect for 20 years. Morons fucked with it.

You probably wouldn’t like 20 year old Notepad’s habit of leaving Unicode BOMs everywhere, or only supporting CRLF line endings. They did improve it a tiny amount circa Windows 10.

Does Windows 11 Notepad still choke on loading large files?

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