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Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

#81

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From what I've read, every major AI player is losing a (lot) of money on running LLMs, even just with inference. It's hard to say for sure because they don't publish the financials (or if they do, it tends to be obfuscated), but if the screws start being turned on investment dollars they not only have to increase the price of their current offerings (2x cost wouldn't shock me), but some of them also need a (massive)…

Dario Amodei has said that their models actually have a good return, even when accounting for training costs [0]. They lose money because of R&D, training the next bigger models, and I assume also investment in other areas like data centers. Sam Altman has made similar statements, and Chinese companies also often serve their models very cheaply. All of this makes me believe them when they say they are profitable on A…

Their whole company has to be profitable, or at least not run out of money/investors. If you have no cash you can't just point to one part of your business as being profitable, given that it will quickly become hopelessly out-of-date when other models overtake it.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

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OP here. Appreciate your perspective but I don't really accept the framing, which feels like it's implying that I've been caught out for writing and coding with AI. I don't make any attempt to hide it. Nearly every commit message says "Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.5". You correctly pointed out that there were some AI smells in the writing, so I removed them, just like I correct typos, and the writing is now better.…

Hey, you do you, I’m glad you appreciate my perspective. I wasn’t trying to catch you out but I see how it came across that way - I apologise for my edit, I had hoped the ;) would show that I meant it in jest rather than in meanness but I shouldn’t have added it in the first place. As I said in my comment, no shade for writing the code with Claude. I do it too, every day. I wasn’t “irked” by the readme, and I did rea…

Strongly agree with your comments.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

#83
post #60

Interesting choice to use native Apple Containers over Docker. I assume this is to keep the footprint minimal on a Mac Mini without the overhead of the Docker VM, but does this limit the agent's ability to run standard Linux tooling? Or are you relying on the AI to just figure out the BSD/macOS equivalents of standard commands?

Not sure if it's intended, but Apple Container is a microvm, providing mich better isolation than containers (while retaining the familiar interface)

"much better isolation than containers"

If you've got an exploit for docker / linux containers, please share it with the class.

What I'm saying is that in practice, containers and VMs have both been quite secure.

Also, you can configure docker to run microvms too https://github.com/firecracker-microvm/firecracker-container...

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

#85

Am I correct that after cloning down the project, you open the directory in Claude Code, then "execute" a markdown file instructing a nondeterministic LLM to set everything up for you in natural language?

Posthog is doing this now for project setup

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dario Amodei has said that their models actually have a good return, even when accounting for training costs [0]. They lose money because of R&D, training the next bigger models, and I assume also investment in other areas like data centers. Sam Altman has made similar statements, and Chinese companies also often serve their models very cheaply. All of this makes me believe them when they say they are profitable on A…

Their whole company has to be profitable, or at least not run out of money/investors. If you have no cash you can't just point to one part of your business as being profitable, given that it will quickly become hopelessly out-of-date when other models overtake it.

Yeah, that’s the whole game they’re playing. Compete until they can’t raise more and then they will start cutting costs and introducing new revenue sources like ads.

They spend money on growth and new models. At some point that will slow and then they’ll start to spend less on R&D and training. Competition means some may lose, but models will continue to be served.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP here. Appreciate your perspective but I don't really accept the framing, which feels like it's implying that I've been caught out for writing and coding with AI. I don't make any attempt to hide it. Nearly every commit message says "Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.5". You correctly pointed out that there were some AI smells in the writing, so I removed them, just like I correct typos, and the writing is now better.…

Hey, you do you, I’m glad you appreciate my perspective. I wasn’t trying to catch you out but I see how it came across that way - I apologise for my edit, I had hoped the ;) would show that I meant it in jest rather than in meanness but I shouldn’t have added it in the first place. As I said in my comment, no shade for writing the code with Claude. I do it too, every day. I wasn’t “irked” by the readme, and I did rea…

There needs to be a word for the feeling of sudden realization that you're reading an AI-generated text (or watching an AI-generated video) where you expected it to be human-authored.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

#88

Am I correct that after cloning down the project, you open the directory in Claude Code, then "execute" a markdown file instructing a nondeterministic LLM to set everything up for you in natural language?

Posthog is doing this now for project setup

Not sure if this is meant to be sarcastic but isn't Posthog patient zero of Sha1-Hulud 2.0?

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

#89

I think these days if I’m going to be actively promoting code I’ve created (with Claude, no shade for that), I’ll make sure to write the documentation, or at the very least the readme, by hand. The smell of LLM from the docs of any project puts me off even when I like the idea of the project itself, as in this case. It’s hard to describe why - maybe it feels like if you care enough to promote it, you should care to t…

OP here. Appreciate your perspective but I don't really accept the framing, which feels like it's implying that I've been caught out for writing and coding with AI. I don't make any attempt to hide it. Nearly every commit message says "Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.5". You correctly pointed out that there were some AI smells in the writing, so I removed them, just like I correct typos, and the writing is now better.…

”I don't care deeply about this code. It's not a masterpiece. It's functional code that is very useful to me.” - AI software engineering in a nutshell. Leaving the human artisan era of code behind. Function over form. Substance over style. Getting stuff done.

Re: Show HN: NanoClaw – “Clawdbot” in 500 lines of TS with Apple container isolation

#90

I think these days if I’m going to be actively promoting code I’ve created (with Claude, no shade for that), I’ll make sure to write the documentation, or at the very least the readme, by hand. The smell of LLM from the docs of any project puts me off even when I like the idea of the project itself, as in this case. It’s hard to describe why - maybe it feels like if you care enough to promote it, you should care to t…

> I’d rather read a typo-ridden five line readme explaining the problem the code is there to solve for you and me,the humans, not dozens of lines of perfectly penned marketing with just the right number of emoji

Don't worry, bro. If enough people are like you, there will be fully automatic workflow to add typos into AI writing.

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