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Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

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Re: Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

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post #55

It's a puzzling situation: - The DDoS was certainly unethical and unneeded - Although the blog post only shows an extremely one-sided version of the story by skipping straight to the threats, there are reasons to think that diplomacy has also failed terribly - The website owner has all eyes of the "thought police" on them, and given the current political situation in Russia, it's more than likely they reside somewher…

Gyrovague here. As linked in the blog entry, you can view both sides of the email correspondence here: https://pastes.io/correspond As for outcomes, I'm very much a bit player/spectator in this drama, nobody's going to be "taking them down" over DDOSing an obscure nerd blog. If they do go down, it'll be the FBI or equivalent, and it will be publicly justified as some combination of "protecting the children" (cf. WAAD…

> As linked in the blog entry, you can view both sides of the email correspondence here: https://pastes.io/correspond

Thanks, I must have missed this.

> [...] nobody's going to be "taking them down" over DDOSing an obscure nerd blog.

> If they do go down, it'll be the FBI or equivalent, and it will be publicly justified as some combination of "protecting the children" (cf. WAAD) and/or copyright violations.

Yes, this is exactly what I fear. That we might be playing into the hands of the greater evil by escalating a small, personal conflict.

Re: Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

#84
post #37
post #28

It is academically very interesting to think about this in light of their long-standing dispute with Cloudflare ( https://community.cloudflare.com/t/archive-is-error-1001/182... ) over EDNS, which could have privacy implications attached. I think no matter how you slice it though, it's unethical and reprehensible to coordinate (even a shoddy) DDoS leveraging your visitors as middlemen. This is effectively coordinatin…

It's definitely interesting to see this roll around since the only individuals that see the CAPCHA page mentioned, are users of Cloudflare's DNS services (knowingly or not). P.S. Shout-out to dang for dropping the flags. I have a small suspicion that their may be some foul play, given the contents...

I see the captcha all the time for the Tor onion website as well.

Re: Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

#85
post #79
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we prefer archive.org links when they're available Interesting. May we know why?

Perhaps because the admins of archive.org don't go around DDoSing random blogs I'd reckon.

Instead they execute source page JS and allow it to doctor the archive copy.

Re: Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

#86
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and the resurrection falsly associates the timestamp of the admin's action with the originator's posting. Needs attention.

I'm pretty sure that's intentional because the timestamp used to calculate where the article shows up on the front page.

My greater faith in the integrity of the admins tells me they do not intend this false association. Its a misrep that can seriously mislead.

Re: Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

#88
post #48

… seems like we the HN community should find a new site to mirror with.

There isn't one. As far as I know, no one really knows for sure how they bypass all these paywalls. (Most credible theory I heard: They actually just pay for the subscriptions.)

Most paywalls just allow search engines to read their content just fine. Because they do want discoverability, they want their cake and eat it.

There's a few publications that don't even do that though and archive.is is very good at bypassing them so I do imagine they use logins for those, but for the masses of sites it's not currently necessary.

Re: Archive.today is directing a DDoS attack against my blog

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post #65
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree - it's clear that archive.is / archive.ph / archive.today / who-knows-what-else has been a lubricant in many HN threads, letting people read things they otherwise couldn't, and that increases the interest of the topic. I suppose I should add that we prefer archive.org links when they're available, but often they aren't. Edit: I suppose I should also re-add that we have no knowledge of or opinion about what's…

> we prefer archive.org links when they're available Interesting. May we know why?

Archive.org is run by a registered nonprofit instead of what’s likely a sole maintainer, who while I personally appreciate, does seem to go a little unhinged sometimes (like the dispute with Cloudflare DNS).
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