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The $100B megadeal between OpenAI and Nvidia is on ice

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Re: The $100B megadeal between OpenAI and Nvidia is on ice

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I think there are two things that happened 1. OpenAI bet largely on consumer. Consumers have mostly rejected AI. And in a lot of cases even hate it (can't go on TikTok or Reddit without people calling something slop, or hating on AI generated content). Anthropic on the other hand went all in on B2B and coding. That seems to be the much better market to be in. 2. Sam Altman is profoundly unlikable.

I actually think Sam is “better” than say Elon or Dario because he seems like a typical SF/SV tech bro. You probably know the type (not talking about some 600k TC fang worker, I mean entrepreneurs). He says a lot of fluff, doesn’t try to be very extreme, and focuses on selling. I don’t know him personally but he comes across like an average person if that makes sense (in this environment that is). I think I personall…

Not extreme? Have you seen his interviews? I guess his wording and delivery are not extreme, but if you really listen to what he's saying, it's kinda nuts.

Re: The $100B megadeal between OpenAI and Nvidia is on ice

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But is Google buying those GPU chips for their own use, or to have them on their data centers for their cloud customers?

google buys nvidia GPUs for cloud, I don't think they use them much or at all internally. The TPUs are both used internally, and in cloud, and now it looks like they are delivering them to customers in their own data centers.

When I was there a few years ago, we only got CPUs and GPUs for training. TPUs were in too high of demand.

Re: The $100B megadeal between OpenAI and Nvidia is on ice

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> Nvidia has been using its newfound liquid funds to train its own family of models Nvidia has always had its own family of models, it's nothing new and not something you should read too much into IMHO. They use those as template other people can leverage and they are of course optimized for Nvidia hardware. Nvidia has been training models in the Megatron family as well as many others since at least 2019 which was us…

Nemotron-3-Nano-30B-A3B[0][1] is a very impressive local model. It is good with tool calling and works great with llama.cpp/Visual Studio Code/Roo Code for local development. It doesn't get a ton of attention on /r/LocalLLaMA but it is worth trying out, even if you have a relatively modest machine. [0] https://huggingface.co/nvidia/NVIDIA-Nemotron-3-Nano-30B-A3B... [1] https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Nemotron-3-Nano-3…

Some of NVIDIA's models also tend to have interesting architectures. For example, usage of the MAMBA architecture instead of purely transformers: https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/inside-nvidia-nemotron-3-t...

Re: The $100B megadeal between OpenAI and Nvidia is on ice

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I think there are two things that happened 1. OpenAI bet largely on consumer. Consumers have mostly rejected AI. And in a lot of cases even hate it (can't go on TikTok or Reddit without people calling something slop, or hating on AI generated content). Anthropic on the other hand went all in on B2B and coding. That seems to be the much better market to be in. 2. Sam Altman is profoundly unlikable.

I actually think Sam is “better” than say Elon or Dario because he seems like a typical SF/SV tech bro. You probably know the type (not talking about some 600k TC fang worker, I mean entrepreneurs). He says a lot of fluff, doesn’t try to be very extreme, and focuses on selling. I don’t know him personally but he comes across like an average person if that makes sense (in this environment that is). I think I personall…

Altman is a consummate liar and manipulator with no moral scruples. I think this LLM business is ethically compromised from the start, but Dario is easily the least worst of the three.

Re: The $100B megadeal between OpenAI and Nvidia is on ice

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post #81

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I actually think Sam is “better” than say Elon or Dario because he seems like a typical SF/SV tech bro. You probably know the type (not talking about some 600k TC fang worker, I mean entrepreneurs). He says a lot of fluff, doesn’t try to be very extreme, and focuses on selling. I don’t know him personally but he comes across like an average person if that makes sense (in this environment that is). I think I personall…

Not extreme? Have you seen his interviews? I guess his wording and delivery are not extreme, but if you really listen to what he's saying, it's kinda nuts.

I understand what GP is saying in the sense that, yes, on an objective scale, what Sam is saying is absolutely and completely nuts... but on a relative scale he's just hyping his startup. Relative to the scale he's at, it’s no worse than the average support tool startup founder claiming they will defeat Salesforce, for example.

Re: The $100B megadeal between OpenAI and Nvidia is on ice

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post #81

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I actually think Sam is “better” than say Elon or Dario because he seems like a typical SF/SV tech bro. You probably know the type (not talking about some 600k TC fang worker, I mean entrepreneurs). He says a lot of fluff, doesn’t try to be very extreme, and focuses on selling. I don’t know him personally but he comes across like an average person if that makes sense (in this environment that is). I think I personall…

Not extreme? Have you seen his interviews? I guess his wording and delivery are not extreme, but if you really listen to what he's saying, it's kinda nuts.

That Dyson sphere interview should've been a wake up call for the OpenAI faithful.

Re: The $100B megadeal between OpenAI and Nvidia is on ice

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How about Apple? How is Apple training its next foundation models?

To use the parlance of this thread: "next" foundation models is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Am I doing this right? My point is, does Apple have any useful foundation models? Last I checked they made a deal with OpenAI, no wait, now with Google.

I think Apple is waiting for the bubble to deflate, then do something different. And they have the ready to use user base to provide what they can make money from.

Re: The $100B megadeal between OpenAI and Nvidia is on ice

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Last paragraph is informative: > Anthropic relies heavily on a combination of chips designed by Amazon Web Services known as Trainium, as well as Google’s in-house designed TPU processors, to train its AI models. Google largely uses its TPUs to train Gemini. Both chips represent major competitive threats to Nvidia’s best-selling products, known as graphics processing units, or GPUs. So which leading AI company is goi…

Would Nvidia investing heavily in ClosedAI dissuade others to use Nvidia?

Aren't they switching to PI for Pretend Intelligence?

Re: The $100B megadeal between OpenAI and Nvidia is on ice

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Last paragraph is informative: > Anthropic relies heavily on a combination of chips designed by Amazon Web Services known as Trainium, as well as Google’s in-house designed TPU processors, to train its AI models. Google largely uses its TPUs to train Gemini. Both chips represent major competitive threats to Nvidia’s best-selling products, known as graphics processing units, or GPUs. So which leading AI company is goi…

Nvidia had the chance to build its own AI software and chose not to. It was a good choice so far, better to sell shovels than go to the mines - but they still could go mining if the other miners start making their own shovels. If I were Nvidia I would be hedging my bets a little. OpenAI looks like it's on shaky ground, it might not be around in a few years.

There is no way Nvidia can make even a fraction of what they are making from AI software.

Re: The $100B megadeal between OpenAI and Nvidia is on ice

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Was the golden boy for a while? What shifted? I don't even remember what he did "first" to get the status. Is it maybe just a case of familiarity breeding contempt?

It is starting to become clear to more and more people that Sam is a dyed in the wool True Believer in AGI. While it's obvious in hindsight that OpenAI would never have gotten anywhere if he wasn't, seeing it so starkly is really rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.

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