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White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by filoeleven »

codyb wrote: post #35
codyb wrote: post #24

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Non-violent protest only! Encouraged by me based on successes at Selma, in India, and in response to the killing of George Floyd. It's a long, inexorable march, but violence only perpetuates more violence and reduces sympathy for the protest movement.

Not sure why this is being downvoted. It's from the same poster who just gave all the info.

It mirrors what is working in Minneapolis. It shows public outrage at what is happening. The absence of violence in the crowd makes it even clearer that ICE are the ones provoking incidents. It helps city and state officials make their case that their people need protection from ICE, not the other way around.

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by codyb »

filoeleven wrote: post #81
codyb wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-violent protest only! Encouraged by me based on successes at Selma, in India, and in response to the killing of George Floyd. It's a long, inexorable march, but violence only perpetuates more violence and reduces sympathy for the protest movement.

Not sure why this is being downvoted. It's from the same poster who just gave all the info. It mirrors what is working in Minneapolis. It shows public outrage at what is happening. The absence of violence in the crowd makes it even clearer that ICE are the ones provoking incidents. It helps city and state officials make their case that their people need protection from ICE, not the other way around.

There's a lot of folk out here downvoting my protest and boycott encouragement. I just assume they're do nothing goobers or worse.

The sad fact is, even most of the people who're sympathetic to democracy and human rights will do just about zero to protect or fight for them.

I don't really know what else to do though, so I keep trying!

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by filoeleven »

mothballed wrote: post #39
loudmax wrote: post #33

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As a US citizen, I'm proud of Minnesotans for standing up for American values.

It's nice that they're doing it. And they are certainly the bravest we have to offer; much braver than you or I. That said, the bravest we have are asking that they please not be murdered. And then peacefully kneeling down to be executed, even when they are armed. Obviously this only emboldens the murderers. The options moving forward look bleak.

The instant there is armed pushback, Trump will declare martial law. It's entirely plausible that had there not been so many people with cameras around, this would have been used as the excuse.

The best thing to do is to be out there recording everything. You are right that they are emboldened, so you're putting yourself in danger by filming. When people continue to do that despite the danger, and despite the internal or external pressure to escalate, it shows more people what's really happening.

I've witnessed people change their position on ICE's actions based on the video evidence of the last killing. Videos 1 and 2 weren't convincing to them, but the 3rd angle was. That's important, because they now know that the administration is lying in the face of directly contradicting evidence.

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by pix128 »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #67
matthewdgreen wrote: post #9

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There are people on this site who will still turn out to vote for this administration and their allies in Congress. It's wild.

My suspicion is that, here on HN, the number has dwindled considerably, even as the number has risen among the most famous figures in tech. HN really should conduct a survey, like StackOverflow does. It would be fascinating.

I see that as wishful thinking. HN has always been very much right leaning. I very much doubt much has changed.

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Post by thomassmith65 »

pix128 wrote: post #85
thomassmith65 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My suspicion is that, here on HN, the number has dwindled considerably, even as the number has risen among the most famous figures in tech. HN really should conduct a survey, like StackOverflow does. It would be fascinating.

I see that as wishful thinking. HN has always been very much right leaning. I very much doubt much has changed.

Fair enough. All the more reason for HN to conduct a survey. It would be interesting to find out.

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by smw »

secabeen wrote: post #16

Slander and libel laws are complicated, but she should have a pretty good case: - The defendant knew or should have know that he or she was making an untrue or defamatory statement about you. (Yes, they edited the photo.) - The false statement must clearly identify you. (It's a clear photo.) - The defendant must have spread the false information to at least one third party who is not the target. For a libel case, the…

Federal government can't be sued for defamation. "Federal sovereign immunity" basically says the government can't be sued unless it agrees to waive the immunity, and it doesn't for defamation cases.

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Post by Herring »

morgengold wrote: post #60
Herring wrote: post #45

Reminder that the most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. Europe found that out the hard way, and America is in the early stages of realizing it.

If we (Europe) are not careful, we will have to find out this pretty soon again.

It's so tricky. You can do most things right like Denmark/Netherlands, then you mess up just one (housing) and the far-right surges. Now you can't import immigrants to deal with your aging population, which means you're on a timer.

Or your neighbor goes far-right (US, maybe eventually Germany/France) and suddenly they start objecting to your internal policies (eg regulating big tech).

Or Russia+Covid combo suddenly inflating all kinds of prices, and again the far right surges.

I think it's going to be a dramatic few decades.

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Post by LanceH »

daviddever23box wrote: post #22
torlok wrote: post #7

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The voter base doesn't care. Federal agents are sent to a state against the governor's will, a man gets shot and killed while carrying a holstered pistol, and all the MAGA 2nd amendment republicans think this was a justified killing because he had a gun on him.

Their voter base - and not the rest of us. There will be a reckoning - and it may originate from the most unexpected place.

The other side of the voters has happily expanded the power of the executive for decades while demonizing those who would put in some restraint. Both sides do this and here we are. The people voting against Trump still gave him power, just not while he was in office.

Re: White House alters arrest photo of ICE protester, says "the memes will continue"

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Post by anon7725 »

coldpie wrote: post #25
matthewdgreen wrote: post #9

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There are people on this site who will still turn out to vote for this administration and their allies in Congress. It's wild.

I don't even know what a realistic plan to fix this looks like. How do you cult de-program 40% of the population of the most powerful country on the planet? Nuremberg-style trials for every single person working under this administration is obviously the base minimum to start to get a handle on this. Anyone who is not pushing for that is not being serious about tackling America's problems. Then what? Extreme anti-tru…

> How do you cult de-program 40% of the population of the most powerful country on the planet?

If history is any guide, that doesn't happen without a substantial - existential, perhaps - exogenous shock.

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