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Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Because it’s not a dev problem, it’s a sales problem.

The sales problem being there isn't anything viable to compete with the established players. Europe has the capability, even without immigration from the US, it just needs a kick to make good enough products.

What products are so hard to replace?

People usually choose big tech from a mix of CYA, sales pitches, preferences for known brands, and political reasons such as enabling surveillance.

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Correct. Neither do Microsoft, Amazon, Google and Apple - realistically they're even more dangerous, see the ICC. Ironically the first three being the main hosts of.. you guessed it, Palantir. Picking and choosing US big tech in this context is pointless, they're all as much of a risk as each other. And don't come with "you have to start somewhere", because you do, but then the place to start is slowly step-by-step g…

Read up on Peter Thiel.

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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imn a software engineer/entrepreneur .. and i’m british, and that article is about UK public services ... so this isn’t distant or abstract for me .. aslo, SV isnt some monolith I’m disconnected from .. even without living there .. its companies (especially those ones that can be seen from this original poster (imbecile ?) view point as evil have materially shaped my career and opportunities in ways that wouldn’t hav…

"entrepreneur" LOL

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Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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"entrepreneur" LOL

Yeah sometimes I question the time and effort I give to some comments on this forum, especially when it comes to more nuanced non-programming topics. I’ve seen what some people have to say about programming and it’s appalling… extend that to something on which they’re not even formally educated? Yeesh

lol. Losing must suck.

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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imn a software engineer/entrepreneur .. and i’m british, and that article is about UK public services ... so this isn’t distant or abstract for me .. aslo, SV isnt some monolith I’m disconnected from .. even without living there .. its companies (especially those ones that can be seen from this original poster (imbecile ?) view point as evil have materially shaped my career and opportunities in ways that wouldn’t hav…

"entrepreneur" LOL

hackable_sand poor lol

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

#86
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> and accusing people of being paid shills I didn't accuse you of being a paid shill, I said if you are a paid shill I have less polite things to call you. I know that Palantir hires people to try and do social media damage control and so it's hard to know where their reach is. > ur not defending an opinion > you’re advertising that you don’t have anything sturdier to stand on, I did provide citations for my opinion.…

That’s cool man. Sorry.

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

#87
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Your profile paints a clear picture at least, the archetype edgelord techbro. Keep on bringing the high quality comments which are definitely not just your opinions

Thank you kind sir. You sound like a very distinguished and successful person yourself.

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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The UK is building/has built a surveillance state using the boiling frog method. So even if you change vendors, surveillance will continue. You have accepted it as par for the course. Unless you reject it and subsequent politicians don't double-cross you, surveillance will continue. No question.

There is a great UK tv show about the surveillance state, from 2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Capture_(TV_series)

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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post #17

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Ironically, the Danish Government is a heavy user of Palantir systems, including creepy predictive policing solutions. I would be keen to know if citizen data is being handled correctly, following GDPR/LED. Given previous Danish client-state-like cooperation with NSA to spy on other EU countries, I can imagine the answer.

GDPR has carveouts for governments and law enforcement so they can do whatever for those purposes.

The framework is the one I referred to (EU LED). In Denmark, LED is implemented in the Danish Law Enforcement Act.

However, LED has some purpose limitations, which critics argue the Danish Law Enforcement Act has bypassed. Some are trying to challenge it.

Re: Palantir has no place in UK public services

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Ironically, the Danish Government is a heavy user of Palantir systems, including creepy predictive policing solutions. I would be keen to know if citizen data is being handled correctly, following GDPR/LED. Given previous Danish client-state-like cooperation with NSA to spy on other EU countries, I can imagine the answer.

Which predictive policing solution from palantir are they using?

Their local Palantir implementation is called POL-INTEL. This thesis presents a good critical overview [1].

[1] https://en.itu.dk/-/media/EN/Research/PhD-Programme/PhD-defe...

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